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Rubicant
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The final battle between sephiroth and cloud seems to be a representation of cloud breaking the chains between himself and jenova. Watch the final fight, then watch the final movie and you'll see what I mean.
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Qhimm
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Then why not place a Sense materia there? Besides, Final Sephiroth's HP is completely irrelevant since the ending is scripted to occur after the first hit. All you see is FF7 switching over to the ending movie, the battle does not actually end normally and thus his HP remains unknown. 
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Rubicant
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The only problem is that you can't use any abilities or magic in that battle. All you can do is omnislash, regardless of whether you have it or not. However, if you have a counter materia hooked up to sense, I believe that cloud will counter an attack from sephiroth with sense. I'll go try that out...now...
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And it turns out that there is no possible way to sense sephiroth. Even if you have no counterattack materias, cloud will automatically counter sephiroth after he hits you. So sad...
No! There are no friggin' tentacles. It's sephiroth's hair. He has two long "things" of hair that stick out in the front, kind of like the front of aeris's hair.
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And it turns out that there is no possible way to sense sephiroth. Even if you have no counterattack materias, cloud will automatically counter sephiroth after he hits you. So sad...
No! There are no friggin' tentacles. It's sephiroth's hair. He has two long "things" of hair that stick out in the front, kind of like the front of aeris's hair.
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Sukaeto
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Well, the other day I was thinking to myself "Which game is better - FFVII or Chrono Trigger." Even though I didn't come up with an answer to that question, it did get me thinking of the depth of FFVII's story. Here's what I came up with on the Sephy/Jenova theory. (Some of it seems backed up by proof, alot is just speculation.)
The 'Sepiroth' you chase the around the world on Disc 1 is actually the headless Jenova Hojo had contained in the ShinRa building. If you remember, at some point in the game (Jenova or Sephiroth, I can't remember which) says "The power to change one's appearance is Jenova's" or something along that line. Also, the confusing dialog between Cloud and Tifa in the Nothern crater where Tifa says "So you mean it's not really Sephiroth we've been chasing this entire time." (It's my opinion that something was lost/screwed up in that conversation during the translation.)
As far as who's in control - Seph or Jenova - well, with my theory, it's kind of hard to just pick either or. You see, as I take it, Sephiroth IS Jenova. His thoughts/experiences and Jenova's thoughts/experiences are one in the same. He was injected with Jenova cells at his conception, and he grew to be made up of some human genes, and mostly Jenova. For all intents and purposes, Sephiroth is a genetic clone of Jenova. Hence the Number one on his arm. He's the first clone (of Jenova, not himself.) As far as Sephiroth being a victim - it depends on how you look at it. If you take Sephiroth for what he is - Jenova, then he is not a victim. He is the ultimate evil. But if you look at Sephiroth the human, what Sephiroth should have been hadn't Hojo tampered with him, and you see that his life, his free will to choose to be good or evil, his memories, etc. were taken away from him before he ever had the chance to live - then yeah, you could consider him a victim, depending on what your view is on conception and life.
Jenova knew that her body (the headless thing in the ShinRa building) was physically dying. (This is shown at the end of the game, when you fight Jenova. If you don't kill her in the time allotted, she just self destructs and dies. I'm not sure if she's supposed to do something that kills your characters, because the one time I actually witnessed what happens when the counter runs out, Jenova was out of MP.) She knew that, through Sephiroth melding with the planet, her essence would live forever, as Sephiroth. Which is why the reunion took place in the Northern crater - Jenova's body was gathering where Sephiroth was, preserved in Mako at the center of the crater.
Jenova (from here on out, unless I specify otherwise, when I refer to Jenova, I'm talking about her headless body.) knew that she needed to get the black materia to the Northern Crater. She took the form of Sephiroth, because she knew that form would intimidate people (especially Cloud. Cloud played an intergal role in her plan. She knew Cloud was powerful physically, and she also knew that she could easily take control of him when the time came, because of the fact that he was mentally weak and had Jenova cells in him.)
When you fight Jenova at the end of the game, that body dies. Then you fight Sephiroth, who is of course enhanced by the power of Jenova, since he IS Jenova. When you defeat the One Winged Angel, Jenova is dead.
The battle between Cloud and Sephiroth, I believe, is taking place in Cloud's mind. It basically is to symbolize Cloud finally being completely free from the influence of Jenova. Even though he'll carry the DNA with him for the rest of his life, since the essence of Jenova is dead, it doesn't matter. He has his own free will back and doesn't have to worry about being controlled any longer.
I pretty much think that's what I came up with - if I think of anything I forgot, I'll just add it in later.
The 'Sepiroth' you chase the around the world on Disc 1 is actually the headless Jenova Hojo had contained in the ShinRa building. If you remember, at some point in the game (Jenova or Sephiroth, I can't remember which) says "The power to change one's appearance is Jenova's" or something along that line. Also, the confusing dialog between Cloud and Tifa in the Nothern crater where Tifa says "So you mean it's not really Sephiroth we've been chasing this entire time." (It's my opinion that something was lost/screwed up in that conversation during the translation.)
As far as who's in control - Seph or Jenova - well, with my theory, it's kind of hard to just pick either or. You see, as I take it, Sephiroth IS Jenova. His thoughts/experiences and Jenova's thoughts/experiences are one in the same. He was injected with Jenova cells at his conception, and he grew to be made up of some human genes, and mostly Jenova. For all intents and purposes, Sephiroth is a genetic clone of Jenova. Hence the Number one on his arm. He's the first clone (of Jenova, not himself.) As far as Sephiroth being a victim - it depends on how you look at it. If you take Sephiroth for what he is - Jenova, then he is not a victim. He is the ultimate evil. But if you look at Sephiroth the human, what Sephiroth should have been hadn't Hojo tampered with him, and you see that his life, his free will to choose to be good or evil, his memories, etc. were taken away from him before he ever had the chance to live - then yeah, you could consider him a victim, depending on what your view is on conception and life.
Jenova knew that her body (the headless thing in the ShinRa building) was physically dying. (This is shown at the end of the game, when you fight Jenova. If you don't kill her in the time allotted, she just self destructs and dies. I'm not sure if she's supposed to do something that kills your characters, because the one time I actually witnessed what happens when the counter runs out, Jenova was out of MP.) She knew that, through Sephiroth melding with the planet, her essence would live forever, as Sephiroth. Which is why the reunion took place in the Northern crater - Jenova's body was gathering where Sephiroth was, preserved in Mako at the center of the crater.
Jenova (from here on out, unless I specify otherwise, when I refer to Jenova, I'm talking about her headless body.) knew that she needed to get the black materia to the Northern Crater. She took the form of Sephiroth, because she knew that form would intimidate people (especially Cloud. Cloud played an intergal role in her plan. She knew Cloud was powerful physically, and she also knew that she could easily take control of him when the time came, because of the fact that he was mentally weak and had Jenova cells in him.)
When you fight Jenova at the end of the game, that body dies. Then you fight Sephiroth, who is of course enhanced by the power of Jenova, since he IS Jenova. When you defeat the One Winged Angel, Jenova is dead.
The battle between Cloud and Sephiroth, I believe, is taking place in Cloud's mind. It basically is to symbolize Cloud finally being completely free from the influence of Jenova. Even though he'll carry the DNA with him for the rest of his life, since the essence of Jenova is dead, it doesn't matter. He has his own free will back and doesn't have to worry about being controlled any longer.
I pretty much think that's what I came up with - if I think of anything I forgot, I'll just add it in later.
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Rubicant
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking at first. But it still doesn't explain why after you defeat the One-Winged Angel, Cloud is shot out of his body, and then a cinematic of him flying through some sort of earthy tunnel plays. But it would make tons more sense with the "in the mind" idea, just because it does. Unless Cloud went back into the lifestream to make sure that a vile being such as Sephiroth would not infect the lifestream. It sure explains why Cloud says: "Lifestream?" after Sephiroth blows up in the final cinematic. It makes even more sense because Aeris's hand reaches to "pull" him out. Either way, the villains are dead.
But I'll follow up on my post up at the top of the page. If you notice, Sephiroth blows up and red spirit energy flies outward. The screen cuts to Cloud, looking dumb as ever. Suddenly, green and red spirit energy flow around him. Both energy streams enter his body, and a green flash follows. Only green spirit energy flows out. So I'm guessing that means that Cloud was purified of Jenova's influence.
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Lieron
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ahhhh long posts *hides*
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Threesixty
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...There really isn't too much there, that says it's Aerith's hand that we are seeing....The only clue we get is the music, but there are no gold braclets on the wrist. I guess the music is enough....but they should have drawn in that braclet.
The story is just too, incoherent. The only reason why so many people remember FF7, is because of what happens to Aerith. If that never happened, FF7 wouldn't have been anywhere "near" as popular.
As for the tunnel, and the Final, "Final Battle".
....It looks more like a detour, to me. If you noticed, the tunnel has some soothing colors in it; then you see something that looks like a moon. Except the moon doesn't have any kind of floating globes drifting aroud it, that I know of.....So, it can only be concluded that it's in fact, "Holy".
Then the detour happens; we pan down, and and go through a tunnel that seems different from the first one......That's when we meet Sephiroth. Apparently, blocking Holy from being summons.
Now the question is...where are they during this final battle (I mean, all three final battles) Sure didn't look like any type of reality place to me...looked like a dream world. The same dream world that was visited by Cloud and Tifa. It's never answered. Perhaps it's some kind of Purgatory.....a place between the real world, and a Spirtial one....the place where a Summons tranverses from a wish into reality. (Lifestream).
And that "part" of Sephiroth was the final roadblock, that was holding Holy back.....in that Spritial world. And that could be what that third fight means; The final bond for the summons of "Holy". Nothing more than that.
The story is just too, incoherent. The only reason why so many people remember FF7, is because of what happens to Aerith. If that never happened, FF7 wouldn't have been anywhere "near" as popular.
As for the tunnel, and the Final, "Final Battle".
....It looks more like a detour, to me. If you noticed, the tunnel has some soothing colors in it; then you see something that looks like a moon. Except the moon doesn't have any kind of floating globes drifting aroud it, that I know of.....So, it can only be concluded that it's in fact, "Holy".
Then the detour happens; we pan down, and and go through a tunnel that seems different from the first one......That's when we meet Sephiroth. Apparently, blocking Holy from being summons.
Now the question is...where are they during this final battle (I mean, all three final battles) Sure didn't look like any type of reality place to me...looked like a dream world. The same dream world that was visited by Cloud and Tifa. It's never answered. Perhaps it's some kind of Purgatory.....a place between the real world, and a Spirtial one....the place where a Summons tranverses from a wish into reality. (Lifestream).
And that "part" of Sephiroth was the final roadblock, that was holding Holy back.....in that Spritial world. And that could be what that third fight means; The final bond for the summons of "Holy". Nothing more than that.
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Rubicant
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Maybe she was naked. It was Aeris, regardless.
No way, dude. At least in my opinion. I was glad that she died. From start to finish Aeris was a whiny biatch. What I feel was so addicting was the discovery of who Cloud really was. That's what was memorable, and what keeps the player hooked.
But you're right; It's too incoherent. As you've said like 3x before. Perhaps they left these undefined things to keep the players coming back for more. No matter what people will have different interpretations, each and every one very possible. Except for the stupid far-fetched ones you hear in fan-fic stories. Yuck.
But I'm going to have to stick with the idea that the final battleplace between Cloud and Sephiroth was in fact the lifestream.
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Lieron
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lol maybe teh FF7 people were bribed so that fanfics are easy to write
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Contra
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If you look at the 'tunnel' it starts to look like he's going through rusty steel pipes... I think he was in the lifestream.. and then sucked into a mako reactor.
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Rubicant
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I don't see how it could be a mako reactor. the tunnel clearly looks like rock, being cut away by cloud's protectional barrier, or energy field, or whatever is around him. But it would be pretty cool if sephiroth and cloud ended up fighting in the nibelheim reactor. But the blackness surrounding them really doesn't keep pace with the reactor idea.
But there is no way we'll ever know for sure because square had some twisted vindictive idea to not explain minor things like this.
But there is no way we'll ever know for sure because square had some twisted vindictive idea to not explain minor things like this.
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Simon
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hey don't forget you are really fighting jenova so the "dream world" is just an illusion. As for the final battle how did Sephiroth manage to keep his sword after being sucked through the lifestream from the nibelheim reactor. Remember he stabbed cloud and cloud through him over the edge but the masamune didnt go with sephiroth. Did he make a new one whilst stuck in the planets core for so long?
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Rubicant
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No, he had the sword when he fell..I think. I'll get back to you on it. 5 bucks says that he still had his sword.
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And I win 5 bucks because Sephiroth is holding Jenova's head and the masamune as he falls into the lifestream. Flaming moron.
And you're not a moron; I just felt like putting a photo of a guy lighting his face on fire.
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And I win 5 bucks because Sephiroth is holding Jenova's head and the masamune as he falls into the lifestream. Flaming moron.
And you're not a moron; I just felt like putting a photo of a guy lighting his face on fire.
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