Big Mysteries of FF7 & More v2

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Zack dying from gunfire, Red XIII not using a Soft on Seto, Cloud not using a Phoenix Down on Aerith... I guess you could say that what happens on the field doesn't follow the same rules as what happens in battle.

That still doesn't explain how Zack dies from gunfire when Cloud survives being impaled through the heart as well as later falling off the Sector 5 Reactor Bridge into Aerith's Church, and when Wedge similarly survives falling off the Sector 7 Pillar.  Both characters are supposed to be significantly weaker than Zack, but I can only surmise that in reality, Zack is a real wimp :P

EDIT: Zack also survives a fall from a tremendous height in a similar style to Cloud in Crisis Core... shouldn't that be far more "fatal" than having a round of measly little bullets discharged into you?
 
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The world of FFVII probably just has its own set of unique "laws" like our laws of physics.  The effect of the "plot" as its called by theoretical lifesteamicysts renders actions which would usually be effective, ineffective.  'Plot' causes phoenix downs to be ineffective, but can also have the inverse effect of enabling weak individuals to survive horrific trauma.  This 'plot' is a very mysterious force indeed.

There is at least once mystery that always bothered me.  The Shinra no. 26 rocket (i think its 26) had to be shut down or else Shera would be burnt to a crisp.  Alrite...makes sense.  However, when the forces of 'plot' are applied, she is able to survive the scorching heat.  Where the hell was she, and how did she survive the heat of the rocket taking off?  Anything I can think of, could have been done the first time around (climbing the ladder out of the room, hiding in the escape pod).  Looks like Cid didn't have to shut the rocket down the first time after all.
 
I might as well give my insight.

Aeris's Death: When a player "dies" in combat, it is counted as K.O., which means knockout. So, the player is not actually dead, just unconscious. Thus, using a phoenix down would "revive" them. However, actual death...

Seto Stone: He's probably turned to stone completely from the inside out since he got hit by those arrows, and I'm pretty sure turning completely to stone from the inside out would effectively prevent the use of a soft. Plus, it's been a lot of years since he turned to stone, so using one may not work anymore.

Zack's death: The FF7 group does get hit by a lot of crap, but Zack was gunned down by what looked like an army of Shinra soldiers, as well as helicopters and missiles (I think that's how it played out in Crisis core, it's been a while since i played). Cloud and the gang, i assume, play out their various battles not by standing in one place, but actually moving around, attacking the creatures. Zack was surrounded by an army of guys, having bullets rained down upon him.

Cloud getting stabbed: ... it hit an empty spot...

Shera in the Rocket: uhhh........ Fairies?

There, that's what I got. Tear it apart if you wish, I don't mind. If it don't make sense, I blame my ADHD and lack of ability in explaining crap. The last two parts I didn't give enough of a crap to write anything about, cause it's dinner time.
 
Aeris's Death: When a player "dies" in combat, it is counted as K.O., which means knockout. So, the player is not actually dead, just unconscious. Thus, using a phoenix down would "revive" them. However, actual death...
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That seems reasonable. And of course, if they all get KO'd, it is safe to assume they'd die anyway.

Although, monsters never attack or attempt to gobble down'd allies.
 
I might as well give my insight.

Aeris's Death: When a player "dies" in combat, it is counted as K.O., which means knockout. So, the player is not actually dead, just unconscious. Thus, using a phoenix down would "revive" them. However, actual death...

Seto Stone: He's probably turned to stone completely from the inside out since he got hit by those arrows, and I'm pretty sure turning completely to stone from the inside out would effectively prevent the use of a soft. Plus, it's been a lot of years since he turned to stone, so using one may not work anymore.

Zack's death: The FF7 group does get hit by a lot of crap, but Zack was gunned down by what looked like an army of Shinra soldiers, as well as helicopters and missiles (I think that's how it played out in Crisis core, it's been a while since i played). Cloud and the gang, i assume, play out their various battles not by standing in one place, but actually moving around, attacking the creatures. Zack was surrounded by an army of guys, having bullets rained down upon him.

Cloud getting stabbed: ... it hit an empty spot...

Shera in the Rocket: uhhh........ Fairies?

There, that's what I got. Tear it apart if you wish, I don't mind. If it don't make sense, I blame my ADHD and lack of ability in explaining crap. The last two parts I didn't give enough of a crap to write anything about, cause it's dinner time.
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Aeris, Zack, and Seto sound about right as for Shera you got a point she could of just climbed in the escape pod the first time. So that's probably what she did since she had time to think about the first incident and wonder what she could of did. As for Cloud he was emotional he just lost his friends and town. He was filled with rage and adrenaline, people do amazing things while they got adrenaline pumping
through their body.

That seems reasonable. And of course, if they all get KO'd, it is safe to assume they'd die anyway.

Although, monsters never attack or attempt to gobble down'd allies.
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Ruby weapon doesn't technically gobble them down but he does use quick sand to remove them maybe he was gonna gobble them later?
 
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You guys forgot to mention that Zack was pretty much outta it and weakened by the experiments that were being brought onto him.
 
These are sound like rational explanations.  The only thing is that we kind of have to assume that there are multiple versions of the characters.  Yeah realistically speaking (about a video game :?) Cloud could have gotten lucky with that stabbing, however if we look at character stats we see that it is impossible for Cloud to survive an attack by Sephiroth.  Now if Cloud had some off Aeris Limit Breaks and he was emotional and aderenalized then it may make sense.  This concept applies to all the questions regarding 'status' and 'life/death'.

Ruby weapon doesn't technically gobble them down but he does use quick sand to remove them maybe he was gonna gobble them later?
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If thats the case then maybe all of the monsters are choosing to just gobble them down later they just don't try to eat your team while still engaged in battle.  Sorry i know it was a joke.


You guys forgot to mention that Zack was pretty much outta it and weakened by the experiments that were being brought onto him.
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That is perhaps the most important point about Zack dying.
 
Zack dying from gunfire, Red XIII not using a Soft on Seto, Cloud not using a Phoenix Down on Aerith... I guess you could say that what happens on the field doesn't follow the same rules as what happens in battle.
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The laws of battle are different yes, but Phoenix down (Phoenix Tail) does not cure death, it cures Knock Out.
 
You guys forgot to mention that Zack was pretty much outta it and weakened by the experiments that were being brought onto him.
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Well then, if we consider Crisis Core, how did he pull his act together in order to defeat Genesis?

One more thing - this time, about the Nibelheim incident.

Cloud remembers it as if he was Zack due to his identity mix-up.  Tifa doesn't tell him that his story is all wrong because she knows something's up and she doesn't want to provoke whatever it is that's wrong with Cloud.  Later, they work together to figure out what really happened, yada yada.  That all makes sense.  What doesn't make sense is that Tifa at first claims that Cloud wasn't there at all; that he didn't even witness the whole thing.  But after she gets struck down by Sephiroth, Cloud tends to her and she clearly says something to him about the promise they made as children.  Why doesn't she remember that?  She remembers everything else perfectly well!
 
She had just gotten cut, and possibly lost a lot of blood from that. It may have cause a bit of amnesia for that period of time.


or maybe shes just fuxin nuts.
 
Wait wait wait a minute! When Cloud attended to help her, she was clearly knocked out... Wasn't she? That is how it happened in Crisis Core.

Zack was the one who saw and last spoke to Tifa before she completely knocked out. Then after that, Tifa must've knocked out and of course, Zack and Sephiroth engage in a heated battle. Cloud quickly rushes after recovering from Sephiroth's attacks on Nibelheim. Not too long, Zack eventually loses and takes a beat down from Sephiroth. Cloud then checks up on Tifa quickly, then Zack, and yeah, he sticks it to Sephiroth and blah blah blah.
 
she may also have just believed it to be a hallucination or a dream, sinse near death that stuff can happen (trust me on that one :P). its also viable that the blood loss counted as amnesia as previousely said. my question is, throughout the game, how come they're constantly talking about cloud and zack looking similar when, to me, they look nothing alike at all, in any variation of the games.
 
Phoenix Downs cure Knock out, alrite, but shouldn't Life/Life2 cure death?  Angel Whispering in her ear maybe?  Sure you don't have it at the time, but the Life spells surely are opposite of death.  Tifa not remembering Cloud could be due to the blood loss/amnesia, or due to psychological effects.  Cloud blocked out a hge portion of his own memory, surely Tifa can block out one event.
 
I think Cloud and Zack do look slightly similar.  I don't think the resemblance has been dramatized that much either.

Something new!  And also kind of minor.

When President Rufus showed up at Rocket Town to say "GIVE MEH TEH TINY BRONCO!  NAO!!", Cloud was right there, listening to the whole thing and being totally overt about it.  How did Rufus not notice him there?  If he did, then surely he would've ordered his men to detain him.
 
I think Cloud and Zack do look slightly similar.  I don't think the resemblance has been dramatized that much either.

Something new!  And also kind of minor.

When President Rufus showed up at Rocket Town to say "GIVE MEH TEH TINY BRONCO!  NAO!!", Cloud was right there, listening to the whole thing and being totally overt about it.  How did Rufus not notice him there?  If he did, then surely he would've ordered his men to detain him.
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considering how easy it is to beat him and he's using a gun, maybe he's near sighted
 
lol, I don't think there is any explaining that.  Only explanation might be that they simply don't care about Cloud and friends now that Cait Sith is permanently with you.  Palmer mentions something, but doesn't follow up on it at all.  He is more concerned with lard in his tea.  So....next mystery, how does Palmer survive to his age having been drinking lad in his tea all the time?
 
Phoenix Downs cure Knock out, alrite, but shouldn't Life/Life2 cure death?  Angel Whispering in her ear maybe?  Sure you don't have it at the time, but the Life spells surely are opposite of death.  Tifa not remembering Cloud could be due to the blood loss/amnesia, or due to psychological effects.  Cloud blocked out a hge portion of his own memory, surely Tifa can block out one event.
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The name is derived from the poor translation.  The actual spells are called Rise and Araise.  They also cure knock out :P  There is no life and life 2.

Life 1 > ライズ > Raizu > Rise
Life 2 > アレイズ > Areizu > Araise
 
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That sucks, even though I was really just playing devil's advocate.  So, how does Cloud take the Masamune to the chest, and pwn Seph, but Aeris is insta-killed.  Cloud had like 140 Hp, and Aeris could potentially have 9999 Hp.  Just replying randomly till an actual solvable mystery comes up again.
 
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