FF14 panned by critics and users

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I don't know why they decided to get into the MMO business, I tried XI and hated it and played a bit of XIV and hated it as well. It's a shame that they're both in the main series. I like Covarr's idea though, a CC MMO might actually turn out to be pretty cool.

As for where the FF series is going, I love X-2, LOATHE XII and love XIII. So for me, the quality is pretty sprodiac (but it's always been) so wheter or not I find the series is going downhill will depend on the quality of the next FF game.
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dun kill me for saying this but i actually liked XII a bit, i hated the story and the characters were... well lame, but i actually found myself enjoying battle and the amount of grinding i had to do to get 100 percent
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The battle system in XII was fantastic. It had no business being called Final Fantasy, but it was fun.

The dungeon layouts, on the other hand, were very "needs improvement".
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don't remind me, my friend and i had to grind in thoughs mines with all the skeletons, and i absolutely hated that place, i also liked how characters standed slightly differently from eachother with weapons, so one character holding a 2-handed sword stands differently from another character holding a two handed sword, still, i'd like to see a game with great dungeons and an awesome storyline, using XII's battle system
 
Yeah... big surprise...
I knew 14 would suck balls. I absolutely despise all kinds of MMO. Hearing 14 would be one was a disappointment. The music and graphics are the only things good with this pile of s**t.

The 1st time I was sceptic towards a FF, was with 10. Tidus can go f**k himself, the voice acting was awkward and the overall design was messed up. But it was still a good game imo. X-2 sucked monkey balls. I must admit the gameplay was quite good though.

11 was... well, a mmorpg. One of the better ones (mmorpg not FF) imo, but still a mmorpg.

12... you probably think I'm gonna say it sucks, but it doesn't, so I won't. :x I can understand where the hate comes from, on the basis that change creates hatred ,but, still, it doesn't suck.
Imo 12 was better than 10 for a number of reasons: The lack of that "anime feel" most of the FFs have (story, design, characters etc). Vaan is less annoying than Tidus. 12 got better overall design. 12 has better voice acting. 12 is less linear.
But there are problems with 12 as well: Like wtf is Vaan and Penelo doing in the story? Random treasures, wtf? Why the hell shouldn't the player start with all gambits and 12 gambit slots? Why can't I control the guests or the espers?
But, hell, I can come up with multiple problems with all FFs. If you dig deep enough the true sh*t will eventually emerge.

13... haven't played yet. But I don't like the overall "anime feel" I get by looking at it. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate anime, I just can't stand the design and the in most of 'em. It's so effin awkward. Wtf is up with those huuuge eyes?

14... I'm not gonna try it. Really, I couldn't care less about it.

I bet 15 will be a game targeted at 12-16 year olds who loves anime. It will have an emo lead character who got nothing to do with the main story. I am hoping squeenix, however, will make a bit more mature FF sometime. If the designers of the next FF get inspiration from Berserk or Conan the barbarian I wouldn't mind.  :evil:
 
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Wtf is up with those huuuge eyes?
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Big eyes are kawaii!

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In both 10 and 12, there are characters who are utterly pointless.

In 10 we have Tidus, despite being the primary player character he could actually be removed from the game with little effect, since the plot is actually about Yuna and her journey.

In 12 you could dispose of Vaan and Penelo because the game is more about Ashe and her story.

10, 12 and 13 were 3 of the worst JRPGs of the last 10 years, in both 12 and 13 I actually gave up part way through because I was so fed of playing the damn games, I got the Judges fight on the Airship in 12 and was so underleveled I had to spend hours grinding only get back up there and still get my ass handed to me, in 13 however the game is so damn linear and the characters so damn shallow/dull/rehashed from previous games(mostly rehashed from VII infact)/annoying that I just could take it.

As for 11, I felt is was a good lesson in how now to make an MMO, boring combat that tries to emulate earlier menu driven FF games in an MMO universe, the worse interface I have even seen in a game outright, we have a mouse let us use it for fucks sake, the game is also a massive grind, in the time it takes to get your first couple of levels in FF14 you've already hit 10+ in most other MMOs, a long boring grind is not a substitute for longevity.

14 from what I've heard is little more than a streamlined version of 11, they've simply fixed up the graphics slapped a new world in, kept the boring grind and not even bothered properly testing the game since I'm hearing reports of regularly falling through the map and broken battles.
 
>Stuff about Tidus not being important in the story of FFX

...what?

I'm not understanding any this FF10 hate to be honest, there isn't a single character that doesn't have a really good story behind them. Fair enough, the voices were a bit hit and miss, but they'd never done voice acting in an FF before - you can't expect square, as good as they were, to have gotten everything 100% perfect the first time.
 
I do not believe Tidus can be removed in the story mainly because he has lots of ties like his father being sin and he is being helped by Auron and his father and Auron and Yuna's father are friends. It adds little drama to the story so no Tidus just makes the game incomplete.
 
Wtf is up with those huuuge eyes?
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Big eyes are kawaii!

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Azumanga Daioh... Good times, funny show!  ;D

In both 10 and 12, there are characters who are utterly pointless.

In 10 we have Tidus, despite being the primary player character he could actually be removed from the game with little effect, since the plot is actually about Yuna and her journey.

In 12 you could dispose of Vaan and Penelo because the game is more about Ashe and her story.

10, 12 and 13 were 3 of the worst JRPGs of the last 10 years...
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You could in theory remove Tidus from 10 and still have story. The story wouldn't make much sense as it is now if you do however (or maybe make more sense  :-o). Annoying and wimpy as he is, it's still his f***ing story.

10, 12 and 13 worse than, lets say, Enchanted Arms? I haven't played 13 yet, but nooo...

I'm not understanding any this FF10 hate to be honest, there isn't a single character that doesn't have a really good story behind them. Fair enough, the voices were a bit hit and miss, but they'd never done voice acting in an FF before - you can't expect square, as good as they were, to have gotten everything 100% perfect the first time.
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There were more miss than hit in this one. At least in the English version. And I don't think anyone were expecting 100% to be honest. It's still a valid effort.
 
In both 10 and 12, there are characters who are utterly pointless.

In 10 we have Tidus, despite being the primary player character he could actually be removed from the game with little effect, since the plot is actually about Yuna and her journey.
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While yes, vaan and penelo can utterly be removed from the story, I wouldn't quite say the same of tidus in ffx. You could take him out completely, and have a very similar game, perhaps better, perhaps not. Tidus did at least, have some effect on other characters, and allowed for the world of spira to be easily illustrated in a "fish out of water" style. He also provides some contrived inspiration for other characters, and plays into a somewhat insignificant romance plot.

vaan and penelo.... really do nothing for the plot. the extent of their involvement is vaan fucking everyone over numerous times by being a loudmouth, and penelo gets kidnapped, giving an excuse to have all the cast chase after her. after the first segment or so of the game... they cease being in most cutscenes... thats how important they are.
 
I wonder who would win the competetion of being the most hated and useless main character
The top 2 picks are definitely Tidus and Vaan, personally Vaan leading.
I mean seriously, what makes SQX think we want to play as some sort of overgrown vermin?
Thats not to say that MOST Final fantasy lead characters have their issues.
 
I do not believe Tidus can be removed in the story mainly because he has lots of ties like his father being sin and he is being helped by Auron and his father and Auron and Yuna's father are friends. It adds little drama to the story so no Tidus just makes the game incomplete.
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An incomplete game is better than a complete one with that whineyass bitch. I think that when FF6 fans call Cloud an emo, they're getting him mixed up with Tidus. Since both have spikey blond hair, it's easy to see how they might get confused.
 
Removing Tidus still leaves about 99% of the plot intact, Jecht and Auron would still be linked, Jecht would still have been a Guardian, but yeah Tidus can easily be removed with little plot changes.
 
Well, I tried the beta of FF XIV the best I could, and the only thing I really liked was the music. At least Nobuo still knows how to make something good.
 
I would have tried XIV but then I read about the feature that starts reducing your XP gain after you played for a couple of hours until it hits 0, I think the only thing you can really do after that is either crafting or log out ans un-install the giant steaming turd of a game.
 
I wonder who would win the competetion of being the most hated and useless main character
The top 2 picks are definitely Tidus and Vaan, personally Vaan leading.
I mean seriously, what makes SQX think we want to play as some sort of overgrown vermin?
Thats not to say that MOST Final fantasy lead characters have their issues.
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I wouldn't consider Vaan the main character in 12. He is ass much main character in 12 as Terra is in 6. I guess in each 6th FF there'll be difficulties pointing out a lead. Not counting MMOs of course.

I've heard people say Lost Odyssey is FF10 true follow-up. Well, in LO you you're half party is in theory useless to the plot, except for the parts they're introduced etc. FF6 got tons of "useless" characters. FF7 got some as well.
 
dun kill me for saying this but i actually liked XII a bit, i hated the story and the characters were... well lame, but i actually found myself enjoying battle and the amount of grinding i had to do to get 100 percent
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No, I don't mind if other people like it, it's just not for me. I found the battle system too slow for me and the amount of grinding you had to do ridiculous. So, as I didn't like the gameplay and the story and characters couldn't compensate for it, I just... really didn't like it.
 
I wonder who would win the competetion of being the most hated and useless main character
The top 2 picks are definitely Tidus and Vaan, personally Vaan leading.
I mean seriously, what makes SQX think we want to play as some sort of overgrown vermin?
Thats not to say that MOST Final fantasy lead characters have their issues.
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I wouldn't consider Vaan the main character in 12. He is ass much main character in 12 as Terra is in 6. I guess in each 6th FF there'll be difficulties pointing out a lead. Not counting MMOs of course.

Generally, to me the main character is the character I start out with ( lets forget abotu Reks for a second here ) and which I have to look at in the field ( most of the time ) in battle ( most of the time ) and whose annoying personality I have to endure for most of the game. Vaan very much fits thats descriptions.
I will never forget SQX for taking away Basch's role as main character and giving it to the "player-can-relate-better-to" moron Vaan ( as it was stated, that was the reason they shifted the story from Basch to Vaan )
I've heard people say Lost Odyssey is FF10 true follow-up. Well, in LO you you're half party is in theory useless to the plot, except for the parts they're introduced etc. FF6 got tons of "useless" characters. FF7 got some as well.
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Whether Terra is the main in FFVI is a subjective matter, true, but you still gotta admit she is the best suited character for the role. You can't remove Terra and have the same storyline, it's impossible. The entire World of Balance revolves around her, and she is an essential part of the ending credits. This is not the case about Vaan at all (the guy is 99% useless). That was some weird comparison, Joe. :?
 
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Whether Terra is the main in FFVI is a subjective matter, true, but you still gotta admit she is the best suited character for the role. You can't remove Terra and have the same storyline, it's impossible. The entire World of Balance revolves around her, and she is an essential part of the ending credits. This is not the case about Vaan at all (the guy is 99% useless). That was some weird comparison, Joe. :?
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Yes I agree. The way I worded myself was supposed to be a joke :P. He is an ass of a character compared to Terra. Though some obviously are worthy the title more than others, I still don't consider anyone a main character in 6 or 12.

And to stay on topic: FF14 sucks...
 
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