FF14 panned by critics and users

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Oh dear, oh dear. Things aren't looking very good for Squeenix

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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/final-fantasy-xiv-online

I had some lulz reading through the user reviews and seeing all the shills and butthurt fanboys giving it a ten. Even most of them didn't seem very impressed with it; it was obvious they were exaggerating their score just to bump up the average.
 
Look at the cover...i just wanna ask that guy, "Who the **** are you, and what association do you have with Final Fantasy?"  I mean, i thought some recent characters in the series were pretty generic, but that guy doesn't look cool or unique at all.  WHy would i wanna play this game?
 
It follows in the grand tradition of horribly bland American boxarts. I bet the Japanese box looks a lot nicer.
 
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I don't know if this is what the Japanese boxart looks like, but even though it looks nicer, I don't think it will make up for how poor the game appears to be.  It might sell more copies becuase it looks nicer though heh.

On a side note, that 'horsebird' we heard about...I think this is it. What has this world come to?

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Next, they're going to remove cactaurs and tonberries. and then it won't even be final fantasy anymore.
 
Next, they're going to remove cactaurs and tonberries. and then it won't even be final fantasy anymore.
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Final Fantasy hasn't been Final Fantasy for a long time.
 
Next, they're going to remove cactaurs and tonberries. and then it won't even be final fantasy anymore.
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Final Fantasy hasn't been Final Fantasy for a long time.
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Sad but true.  It is FF in name only these days.  And does anyone here know why they are called Tonberry?  The japanese does suggest ton and berry...

I have never understood the name.
 
Next, they're going to remove cactaurs and tonberries. and then it won't even be final fantasy anymore.
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Final Fantasy hasn't been Final Fantasy for a long time.
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Sad but true.  It is FF in name only these days.  And does anyone here know why they are called Tonberry?  The japanese does suggest ton and berry...

I have never understood the name.
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While I kinda agree, I wouldn't rush statements like this. Who decides what a true FF is? The fans? Then who are the fans? The ones who likes the true FFs?? Who has the right to decide? Is it an objective observer, the developers, the creators... Or is it decided by gameplay and/or design. In that case, one could argue that FF4 isn't a true FF.</unnecessary philosophy>
 
It isn't a true Final Fantasy game to the fans who've been following the series, and have become attached to the earlier games.  Because FFXIV is so different (and so bad), many would argue that it isn't a true Final Fantasy game because it seems to deviate so far from Final Fantasy tradition.
 
The only FF games I'd argue aren't true FF games are the online ones.
 
Well FF 13 isn't strictly speaking an RPG.  Not in the sense that you need to have proper towns, proper battle system (not AI), shops and so on...

an RPG is a list of criteria, not just "role playing".  And when gameplay is second fiddle to story, there is a problem.  There should always be balance.
 
I suppose there's a belief that a series' identity is not undermined by continuous evolution, but can be heavily undermined by sudden, massive changes in areas such as gameplay or in terms of less tangible ideas such as the "spirit" of the game. It's reasonable to say that such a revolution has happened in FF.

I mean, if someone's personality changes slowly (evolves, if you will), you'd say that he's still the same person. However, if his personality suddenly changes overnight to the point where he is unrecognisable, you'd have to ask yourself whether he's really the same person that he was before. You might even doubt whether someone is the same person they used to be if the changes are slow but still huge.

Of course, this debate is all just philosophy, a subject where actual answers are rarely found and intellectual masturbation is the order of the day, so maybe we should go no further.

What can be said with confidence is that there is some "quality" that used to belong to Final Fantasy games that has been lost. Exactly what that "quality" is, and whether its loss is important enough for us to say that the series is now FF in name only, remains to be seen.
 
It would be interesting to compare views of different groups of FF players.  For example, what do those who started with FF1 and played through the whole series think versus what players who started with FFVII, or FFX think.  I imagine that those starting with earlier games view current FFs as more of an atrocity than those who began later in the series.  FFVII is perhaps a unique case for a variety of reasons that you can all imagine.  Those who started with FFX probably think that FF is better than ever and look forward to future "improvements" to the series.  Those who's first encounter with Cloud and Sephiroth was in KH or Crisis Core probably think FFVII's Cloud is gay and Sephiroth not as cool (or something idk, just speculation now).  I started with VII and hadn't really played any RPGs before that.  However, I made sure to go play the previous games (mostly due to the time between FFx+1 releases).

My personal opinion is that most all of the FFs were awesome with no game-ruining flaws.  I loved FFIX and played it many times, but there were a few issues that left a bad taste in my mouth.  Zidane wasn't as cool as previous main characters, but I shouldn't have been so critical since Tidus was his successor.  Then my PS2 broke and i got an Xbox.  Years later I found that I really had no interest in newer FFs.  I played half way through XII, started XIII but didn't do much with it (partially because I didn't have long-term access to a PS3).  FFVII is still, and always will be King for me though.  Fine-tuning it here makes it even better.  Ideally I would like to experience FVII 'for the first time' again, and modding is the closest thing to that.

Another important distinction, I think, is to be able to assign these titles a grade based on “Is it a good game?” and a different graded based on “Is it a good Final Fantasy?”  Many of the newer games qualify as ‘good games’ although I wouldn’t call them “excellent games,” but certainly do not qualify as “Good Final Fantasies.” 

*side-note*  @Kudistos,  What are studying/is your profession?  I ask because you seem to have a fairly good grasp on many psychological concepts, and are also able to explain things in a psychological way.  That is what I’m going to school for, but much of what I ‘know about psychology’ wasn’t taught to me.  I was just curious if you’ve had any formal schooling in psychology or if most of your perspectives are just due to some naturalistic intelligence and/or respect for the empirical method :)
 
It would be interesting to compare views of different groups of FF players.  For example, what do those who started with FF1 and played through the whole series think versus what players who started with FFVII, or FFX think.  I imagine that those starting with earlier games view current FFs as more of an atrocity than those who began later in the series.  FFVII is perhaps a unique case for a variety of reasons that you can all imagine.  Those who started with FFX probably think that FF is better than ever and look forward to future "improvements" to the series.  Those who's first encounter with Cloud and Sephiroth was in KH or Crisis Core probably think FFVII's Cloud is gay and Sephiroth not as cool (or something idk, just speculation now).  I started with VII and hadn't really played any RPGs before that.  However, I made sure to go play the previous games (mostly due to the time between FFx+1 releases).
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I'd say that FFX is actually the last of the old games. The most noticeable change has been that from a traditional, turn-based JRPG to a game that's closer to real time and has more of a "Zelda with three people" feel.

I also doubt that there's much of a difference between the way people who started with 7 will see the direction the series is going in and how people who started earlier will see it. FF7 is definitely one of the "old" games now, no matter what the SNES fanboys and bandwagon jumpers may say.

That said, there's a chance that people who joined FF with X might see things differently if we suppose that they only played one main series game before the style change and didn't get hooked on the JRPG style. They may have started with an old-fashioned FF, but they didn't have time to get used to it.

On the subject of how people whose first experience with Cloud wasn't FF7, I've noticed a huge difference between how the old FF7 fans see him and see the characters and story as a whole, and the way the fans who joined later on see things (I'm thinking mainly of those whose first experience with FF7 was AC or CC).

Another important distinction, I think, is to be able to assign these titles a grade based on “Is it a good game?” and a different graded based on “Is it a good Final Fantasy?”  Many of the newer games qualify as ‘good games’ although I wouldn’t call them “excellent games,” but certainly do not qualify as “Good Final Fantasies.” 
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This is an important distinction to make. None of the hated FF games would have got the same amount of flak if they didn't have FF on the cover, and not just because expectations would be lower.

*side-note*  @Kudistos,  What are studying/is your profession?  I ask because you seem to have a fairly good grasp on many psychological concepts, and are also able to explain things in a psychological way.  That is what I’m going to school for, but much of what I ‘know about psychology’ wasn’t taught to me.  I was just curious if you’ve had any formal schooling in psychology or if most of your perspectives are just due to some naturalistic intelligence and/or respect for the empirical method :)
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I have absolutely zero formal training in psychology. I am somewhat trained in philosophy, however (there's a lot of overlap), and Classics (Oxford degree in Literae Humaniores).
 
Your opinion on FFX seems to be the general concensus.  I can agree with that for the most part.  If the FF series started as a sunrise and the middle games in the series were a bright and sunny afternoon, I think that FFX is the sunset right before dusk.  Yeah, it is still daytime, but it isn't as bright or warm as it was earlier in the day.  On that note, recent FFs are a cold, damp, autumn night.  I just hope that the FF series has no winter season and instead goes from autumn to spring.

It seems a strange phenomenon that FF players who began with VII (it was a massive influx of players) seem to have gotten that "FF feeling" and felt it in a way similar to those who had played previous FFs.  This means it should be possible for that feelings to exist in the new games as well.  It is not there though.  I think that the changes in decision-makers in Squeenix intentionally molded FF into what it is today.  In this sense, FF is dead.  I think its time to stop the CPR and grieve.

@Kudistos Ah, the Philosophy background.  Just another shining example of the fact that everyone should be educated to some extent on Philosophy (and Psychology), and not just things like Algebra, Civics, Biology, etc. (although not everyone learns about these things even).  As an undergrad had a minor in Philosophy, although it was probably nice to study at Oxford.  It seems like there are nothing but Hermoors in some of my classes.
 
@Kudistos Ah, the Philosophy background.  Just another shining example of the fact that everyone should be educated to some extent on Philosophy (and Psychology), and not just things like Algebra, Civics, Biology, etc. (although not everyone learns about these things even).  As an undergrad had a minor in Philosophy, although it was probably nice to study at Oxford.  It seems like there are nothing but Hermoors in some of my classes.
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They need to study it to some extent, yes (philosophy in particular would be helpful to modern populations whose critical thinking skills are poor). However, I'd say that humanities subjects work better as minors rather than majors.
 
They need to study it to some extent, yes (philosophy in particular would be helpful to modern populations whose critical thinking skills are poor). However, I'd say that humanities subjects work better as minors rather than majors.
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Humanities in general, yes I agree.  Psychology is "behavioral science."  It just gets grouped with humanities and people's connotations of Psychology seem to incorporate some idea of Freud and Oedipus Complex/Penis Envy etc. Contemporary Psychology is not very much like the idea that most people have.  Also, i meant students should be taught Philosophy and Psychology at a basic level in middle and high school so they can learn to think about things and also learn about what is going on behind thoughts/emotions/opinions.  Personally, i believe the human species is beyond repair, but thats not what we're talking about heh. 

So...FFXIV has been panned by critics and users.  Interesting.

Edit:  Well I may have discovered something that will cause XIV to be a huge success!  []Mature Content[] http://news.mmosite.com/content/2010-09-16/ffxiv_miqo_te_nudity_mod_emerges.shtml#ue_pic []Mature Content[]
 
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I refuse to even buy 14. I refuse. I agree with most of you here when i say, I despise mmo games. Especially mmorpg's.

I never played 12 or 13, but once again. I dont plan to.

I tried 11, and it was a complete disgrace, if it wasn't for the previous FF's. I would have lost all respect for Square. 

Now before i say what I am about to, lets get something straight. I hated both X and X-2. The thing i wanna get across is that Tidus may not seem like an important character and can be removed, but he isnt! I have seen and heard many people say this, My family, friends, on other forums, and right here. ON A PURELY FF FORUM?! Come on now people. Tidus is the son of Ject. Now if you all can think back, Ject is like God is this story line! Ject is Sin. The only reason Yuna goes on her journey, is to defeat Sin. Sin being Tidus' father, is somewhat important. He is supposed to fight his father for the sake of the world along side Yuna.. Now am I the only one in the WORLD that see the significance Squeenix was trying to portray here?

Now about IX... I bought it. I played it for a day or so. And I don't know exactly what it was, but something rubbed me the wrong way. So wrong I had to put the game down before I tried to file for a restraining order.. So that game is somewhere in the depths of my closet. If it was a good game, I apologize. I also didn't really care for the whole 'little people' thing. No offense if anyone here is, or knows somebody who is a 'little person'

Ahh yes. Final Fantasy VIII. I am sorry you die hard 7 fans. This one was most definitely my favorite. Actually it is my favorite game in general. Everything was great. Especially the story line, it was the perfect balance between The fight for the greater good, maturing/growing up, of course the love inside of it (everyone knows about Squall and Rinoa, I know I am not the only one that noticed Zell and his library girl, Irvine and Selphie maybe? Cid and Matron! Laguna and Julia, and Raine!! the list goes on =] ) Quite possibly my favorite part of the game, and I know that this is a very controversial thing so please don't attack me for it. But I just loved the new junction system, I was very saddened that square never used it again ]= FMV!!! Need I say anymore about that? Well I will. They were stunning. Especially for their time. Yes VII had great strides with the graphics and such, But VIII really doesnt get as much credit as it deserves since everyone was waiting for something to blow them away from VII like VII did from everything else, yes it was an improvement. But we asked for too much from Square and expected more after how well VII was made compared to everything else, there are limits people! I feel as though I am going to far with talking about VIII so I will stop here, even though I could go on for hours =]

VII. It was great. As I just previously stated, nothing like it was out at the time. No game even came close. Everything was astonishing. This game came out when I was just a wee lad (9 to be exact =] ) and Tifa was my little boy crush for the longest time XD hehe VII is always talked about, everyone knows how great it was, so I don't feel I need to spend anymore time on this.

And I will end at this, instead of going further back in time I will stop, as I know this is a very long post, and after all this typing I would be devastated if it got deleted or nobody at all read it ]=


EDIT: By the way, I do apologize for such a long post to those who can't help but read everything like me =]
 
I refuse to even buy 14. I refuse. I agree with most of you here when i say, I despise mmo games. Especially mmorpg's.
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I don't despise MMORPGs. I just despise paying every month for a game I already bought. I'm loving Lord of the Rings Online, because it's free. I just can't afford to invest over $150 a year in a single game.
 
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