FF14 panned by critics and users

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First of all, you should go dig IX out.  Based on your preferences, I can understand why it may have been difficult to get into, but it was quite good.  It was a bit slow in the beginning, but the game is simply trying to adequately develop the characters.  If you don't like it, at least try zoning out and mashing the X button until you make it to Lumbridge (here you can actually start making decisions), and if you can't get into the game at that point then you may as well put it back away.

We can probably all agree that VIII was excellent.  Of course some enjoyed it more than others, and some enjoyed it more than VII...i guess we can allow this.  The junction system was pretty fun, although I feel like Square could have done a lot more with it (specifically how, idk...but it feels that way).  I don't really think people should be allowed to compare VII an VIII though.  Well of course they are allowed, but both games were incredibly unique and both quite good.  They both stood on their own merits which were pretty distinct from one another.  Junction-Awesome, GFs-Cool, Limit Breaks-Fun.  I won't bother saying what is good about VII, except that the materia system will always hold a special place in my heart.  Someone should calculate the actual # of combinations sometime.

Don't bother with XII or XIII, especially considering what you've told us so far.


I don't hate MMOs...but i acknowledge that they are evil.  Abrupt Ending...NOW!
 
These damn discussions always send us all on rants   :P

I agree that VII and VIII shouldn't be directly compared, as they were both great, unique, and greatly unique.

The only real problem I saw with the junction system, was that no matter what level you were at, if you got a hold of the right magic, the game became way too easy. The only real thing I could think of to better it would be to only have certain magics unlocked depending on what your level was. I know that people will disagree with this, and not to sound like a d*ck or anything. But I don't really care XD I liked it, that is my opinion.

As for the MMO's, I completely agree with your "evil" statement. No offense to anybody, but I especially couldn't stand WOW. I felt like they were trying to baby everyone through it, and all I wanted to do was play the game. I used to like these mass online games. I am not exactly sure what turned me away, but it was most definitely between 3 games that ruined it for me. WOW being the first, FFXI, and last but definitely not least COD. Call of duty was great in the beginning. And by the beginning I mean only the first one. Then there were all these little kids, glitches, somehow someone always found a way to cheat. That pretty much ended my online career. Well with one exception. I happen to be addicted to Madden games =] But I guess this last little section here probably belongs in some other forum entirely, but it somewhat pertained to our discussion.

[END OF MINI-RANT]

EDIT: I know COD doesn't really fit in there, I was merely explaining which games turned me away from the online world. I was merely giving my reasoning.
 
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I know you guys love bashing squenix, but you need realise that being an online RPG, it will be constantly updated, for the next 10 years or so.

Now I agree the game shouldn't have been released in its current state, but Squenix have even already detailed a patch that fixes a majority of the issues that reviewers and players mention, that will be released in a few weeks. They have also extended the free trial period.

If you guys actually read the reviews, you will find the important things such as story, graphics, the class and battle systems, are actually good.
The major gripes are with the horrible interface and menus, the economy, the maps. These are things that can, and will, be fixed.
 
I know you guys love bashing squenix, but you need realise that being an online RPG, it will be constantly updated, for the next 10 years or so.
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uhh yeah, just like ff11 on ps2.
 
i know i'll get bashed, but again, i actually liked XIII, i was uber-pissed it was so bloody linear and you could only use one character in the party, but for some unkown reason, i did enjoy playing it. maybe it was the idea of using thoughs style transformation thingy's (dun remember what there called) but i loved the idea that strategy was needed against bosses, and at least it didn't end the game after the final boss. i like games that let you keep playing after.
 
The boss fights are the biggest reason that I really enjoyed XIII. It feels like the game is designed with sort of a "trial run" mentality, where you are pretty much expected to lose against a boss your first time (or more) and in fact not even try to win so much as try to develop a strategy. It seems that the time investment in bosses is about the same overall as in other games, but it's more focused on repeated attempts that are either failed or completed in under a minute each, as opposed to a long, drawn-out survival-fest where the goal is just to not die for ten to fifteen minutes, healing when needed and attacking when possible as seen in most other FF games.

It's really interesting to me how whether you win or lose, you do it quickly. In that sense, I feel this would be a good game for speedrunning, because of the way a good strategy is infinitely more useful and faster than grinding.

Although, I also loved XII, I enjoyed the story, thought the MMO-style battles were fun, and was only slightly put off by the bizarre and broken difficulty curve.

In fact, the only FF's that I've played and didn't like were I (crap story, crap game balance), II (crap story, pain in the ass memory system), and X (shoddy camera/controls, nothing else is really too terrible, but not good enough to make up for that damn camera). In fact, XIV seems to have taken some cues from II, with its emphasis on menu navigation interfering with the game itself.
 
In fact, the only FF's that I've played and didn't like were I (crap story, crap game balance), II (crap story, pain in the ass memory system), and X (shoddy camera/controls, nothing else is really too terrible, but not good enough to make up for that damn camera). In fact, XIV seems to have taken some cues from II, with its emphasis on menu navigation interfering with the game itself.
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Okay, you can't really bash one and two. seriously now. Think about when those games were made. They couldn't really develop those games to the extent they should have been.
 
Hmm, it seems that we've almost made a full 360 now.  Any comments about the last few posts I could make, would probably include points that have already been made previously.  The "good game" versus "good final fantasy" arguement comes to mind.  I have to agree with Covarr about the boss battles in XIII though.  I only fought like 5 of them, but they were surprisingly challenging the first time around.  That was refreshing.  I feel like I would love XII and XIII if I had never played VII or VIII (and others).
 
In fact, the only FF's that I've played and didn't like were I (crap story, crap game balance), II (crap story, pain in the ass memory system), and X (shoddy camera/controls, nothing else is really too terrible, but not good enough to make up for that damn camera). In fact, XIV seems to have taken some cues from II, with its emphasis on menu navigation interfering with the game itself.
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Okay, you can't really bash one and two. seriously now. Think about when those games were made. They couldn't really develop those games to the extent they should have been.
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I can bash them, because they're not fun anymore. They simply haven't held up the way other, earlier games have, such as Space Invaders, or Super Mario Bros. Besides which, I and II have been remade repeatedly, and the remakes aren't terribly fun either, usually suffering from most of the same problems. Hell, even Final Fantasy III for the NES was a lot better. It didn't have much story either, but they finally got the gameplay right, balanced, and generally fun. I know, it was made later than the first two, but they still had the same limitations of the system to work with.
 
Just because a game is no longer fun doesn't mean that it wasn't good at one point in time. Yes they don't compare to Mario Brothers, but they were quite arguably the greatest games of all time. For any age, even if you aren't a gamer. Remakes? Seriously, when was the last time you played a remake that was actually better then the original? Also I and II were in the utter infancy of FF obviously, them being the first 2 games. There is a thing called trial and error, in order to see what the public wants and likes. You need to try out different things. In my opinion they didn't really know where they were going with FF. It was just one last 'umpf' if you will, to get the company moving.

EDIT: I love Mario Bros, but it isn't fun anymore.. I figured out all the little secrets and shortcuts and all that fun stuff, and now the game is way too easy. Which makes it no fun anymore.

EDIT (yes again =]  ):When i said "arguably the greatest games of all time" I was speaking of Mario Bros and Space Invaders.
 
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I think this sums it up.  *coughignoreanythingthatdoesntlookrightcouch*

Yes it says couch.
 
I am sorry to say we have gone off topic ]=

This was meant for XIV, yes?
 
to be honest, i wasn't planning on playing XIV anyway sinse i don't like "serious" MMOs, but from everything bad about that you hear now, i would probably punch someone if they offered it to me :P
 
Squeenix's stock over the past two years:

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Over the past five years:

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They're in twouble!
 
They should have made the FFVII remake many years ago, when people actually wanted it (by people I mean FFVII players).  Now its too late...well not for them to make money, but too late for them to make anything resembling a good game.  The rest of this post has been aborted due to imminent cognitive shutdown aka i'm too tied to finish this.
 
I think people would still eat up a FF7 remake. It's not too late, if they make one that plays faithfully to the original. The Kingdom Hearts series, and Space Invaders Extreme, have shown they still know how to make a good game. Just the recent FF games have been getting screwed.
 
They should have made the FFVII remake many years ago, when people actually wanted it (by people I mean FFVII players).  Now its too late...well not for them to make money, but too late for them to make anything resembling a good game.  The rest of this post has been aborted due to imminent cognitive shutdown aka i'm too tied to finish this.
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i agree. ff7 wouldn't look to flashy back in the day, but at least it would have good gameplay.

nowadays square games are focused on visual presentation. if you can put that aside, there is little left that still draws you to the game. i remember being hooked to ff7/ff8. also ff12. but ff13, for instance, is just a game to me. i can put it down and not play it for a couple of weeks. that was unthinkable with older square games (for me).
 
I think people would still eat up a FF7 remake. It's not too late, if they make one that plays faithfully to the original.
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They won't...  they said as much.  They want to make everything HD and are not prepared to put the time in to remake VII.  Ironically they were conceding that these days they settle for second best as long as graphics are good they couldn't give a toss.

I hope they don't remake, because Senix these days is more money driven than ever and will not do the game justice.  It will be an over-the-top graphic fest, dumbed down for casual gamer.

On the plus side, I could look at the translation and burgle parts.
 
At this point I would settle for a game that had an identical materia system (i never played CC so idk how its materia was) to FFVII.  Materia is always fun, in Dirge, Ehrgeiz, anything else it may have been in...but I have always wanted a newish game with the full materia selection and a similar method of setting it up.  Why, why is this system only in one game?  The same goes for the junction system.  I mean, a blank game that contained nothing but a track to obtain materia or magic, and equipment to put it on with generic battles/story/graphics would still be a good game.
 
I think people would still eat up a FF7 remake. It's not too late, if they make one that plays faithfully to the original.
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They won't...  they said as much.  They want to make everything HD and are not prepared to put the time in to remake VII.  Ironically they were conceding that these days they settle for second best as long as graphics are good they couldn't give a toss.
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I'm not saying they will. But if they do eventually get around to remaking the game, it'll most likely be done right. As a whole, their remakes have generally played faithfully to the games they've been based on, just look at FFIVDS.
 
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