[FF7 PC] Mod Manager - 7th Heaven (v2.2.3.522 Release) Outdated

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Hey guys,

Just a quick question. Is there any way to run 7th heaven without admin privileges? I use steam for all my games, and big picture mode can't work with any game that runs in admin mode. I noticed you guys also mount the install disc from the 98 version using powershell. Any idea why? Does the exe run a disc check? Can't you modify it for a no-cd bypass?
 
Is there any way to run 7th heaven without admin privileges?
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No. 7H relies on elevated privileges in order to work its magic.

I noticed you guys also mount the install disc from the 98 version using powershell. Any idea why?
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Because the Steam version is just a wrapper around the disc version, and it's easier to work from a common root.

Does the exe run a disc check?
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Yes

Can't you modify it for a no-cd bypass?
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We could, but that would defeat a ton of the checks we do to discourage piracy. Steam puts it on sale so often, for so cheap, that there's no excuse for not being legit.
 
tslojr:  You definitely need to fix your mod load order (click the "1^ v9" looking button), and check to make sure that "Qhimm - Animations" is not active.  If that fails, delete your "\7th workshop" so it's forced to re-load your paths and configuration, then try again.
 
No. 7H relies on elevated privileges in order to work its magic.
Because the Steam version is just a wrapper around the disc version, and it's easier to work from a common root.
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We could, but that would defeat a ton of the checks we do to discourage piracy. Steam puts it on sale so often, for so cheap, that there's no excuse for not being legit.
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Huh really? That sucks. I'm not a big fan of my games running as admin, as that messes up my Steam games and big picture mode.

Wait so the steam version doesn't mount the 98 iso in any way. I have it, and I never noticed it doing that. How is it a wrapper?

So you guys run anti piracy checks on 7th heaven. Is that the point of the admin access and the disc mounting? Damn that sucks.

Alright thanks dude. I'll have to stick to standalone mods then. Was having issues with new threat and satsuki's graphic pack working together.
 
Wait so the steam version doesn't mount the 98 iso in any way...How is it a wrapper?
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That's correct; Steam doesn't load the 98 ISO.  That (among other things like cloud saves and achievements) is how it functions as a wrapper.

Is that the point of the admin access
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No.  Admin access is required in order for 7H to intercept calls to the game's original code and allow mods to replace them without having to hack the exe file fifteen ways from Sunday.  It has nothing to do with the anti-piracy checks.

Damn that sucks.
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Ahh... so in less whiny words, you want us to crack the game, piss in Square's cereal, and give every studio the excuse they want to lawyer up and be dicks to the modding community the way Nintendo does?  I don't think so.
 
Hey dude whatever floats your boat man. I'm just not a big fan of disc checks, especially when the steam version has nothing of the sort. I'm not too sure of the 98 release, been a while since I installed that one. Your mod manager is not a necessity, just a nice feature. I can always install mods manually.

Didn't think voicing my grievances would be a big deal. I'm just not used to any mods I install, having these anti piracy features. Big fan of modding games, like Half Life and Fallout, and they have nothing of the sort. Hell Mod Organizer for New Vegas and Skyrim, don't even need admin access. They got a sweet virtual file system too.

You do you dude.
 
Big fan of modding games, like Half Life and Fallout, and they have nothing of the sort. Hell Mod Organizer for New Vegas and Skyrim, don't even need admin access. They got a sweet virtual file system too.
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you're being really unfair

all those games you are referencing are modern games that were actually made with modding in mind, especially fallout and skyrim


in ff7 even the simplest texture replacements will cause bugs if you dont know how the game works and what you are doing, code has to be added to make all this stuff work


shortly after skyrim was released bethesda actually released a set of modding tools to help modders mod it, these final fantasy games are the opposite - they tried to be masterpieces of their time and the source code was thrown away when the game was completed
 
Quick hello message just to say thank you for this. Love FF7 and this tool, and New Threat has breathed a massive breath of fresh air back in to my playing.
 
you're being really unfair

all those games you are referencing are modern games that were actually made with modding in mind, especially fallout and skyrim


in ff7 even the simplest texture replacements will cause bugs if you dont know how the game works and what you are doing, code has to be added to make all this stuff work


shortly after skyrim was released bethesda actually released a set of modding tools to help modders mod it, these final fantasy games are the opposite - they tried to be masterpieces of their time and the source code was thrown away when the game was completed
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Alright that's fair. The way this game is coded, it shouldn't even have mods. I'm just upset that a lot of mods are like "use 7th heaven or JUST ours, that's it!" I hate the fact 7th heaven requires admin access to work. Like wasn't there a way around that? There must've been one. It totally messes up my game flow when I'm using steam and picture mode. I can't have that. So I just won't use it.

And the fact the disc checks are still active on an exe after all these decades. I thought someone would've just said "Yo, people can buy this game on steam, the disc version is ancient, I'm getting rid of the disc check. It's an inconvenience." I'm not the programmer though, that's on them. It's on me to figure out ways around that.

Frustrating is all.
 
Good morning.

I'm trying to run this mod. I've the Steam game.
I can't seem to install the Field Texture mod of 7.3GB. I thought it took this long because of file size, but now it's been 5 hours that it's listed as "In queue..." after I downloaded it with the client.
Anyone knows how to solve this issue? I would love to use the Field Texture mod.

Additionally, what is that mod that allows to extend max playtime from 99 to 999 hours?

As a last question, I'm playing in 16:9 but this makes 2 black borders appear up and down on the screen. Is there a way to remove them?

Thanks for any help.
 
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Good morning.

I'm trying to run this mod. I've the Steam game.
I can't seem to install the Field Texture mod of 7.3GB. I thought it took this long because of file size, but now it's been 5 hours that it's listed as "In queue..." after I downloaded it with the client.
Anyone knows how to solve this issue? I would love to use the Field Texture mod.

Additionally, what is that mod that allows to extend max playtime from 99 to 999 hours?

As a last question, I'm playing in 16:9 but this makes 2 black borders appear up and down on the screen. Is there a way to remove them?

Thanks for any help.
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My mod ESUI will adjust the max hours that can be displayed, there is also other menu mods but I am not sure if they do it as well.


About the download problem for the field textures, you can try manually downloading from the 7th heaven website directly here.


https://7thheaven.rocks/  links are near the bottom.  After you download place the iro inside the same folder as the other iro folders which should be under the mods folder in your game directory by default.
 
Alright that's fair. The way this game is coded, it shouldn't even have mods. I'm just upset that a lot of mods are like "use 7th heaven or JUST ours, that's it!" I hate the fact 7th heaven requires admin access to work. Like wasn't there a way around that? There must've been one. It totally messes up my game flow when I'm using steam and picture mode. I can't have that. So I just won't use it.

And the fact the disc checks are still active on an exe after all these decades. I thought someone would've just said "Yo, people can buy this game on steam, the disc version is ancient, I'm getting rid of the disc check. It's an inconvenience." I'm not the programmer though, that's on them. It's on me to figure out ways around that.

Frustrating is all.
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You can extract the mods and implement them directly if you want to, the reason 7th heaven is used is it makes everything "much" easier in terms of activating the mods and supporting the mods.  It does not modify your game files so its easy to switch back to unmodded gameplay, not so easy when you manually applying mods.
 
Alright that's fair. The way this game is coded, it shouldn't even have mods. I'm just upset that a lot of mods are like "use 7th heaven or JUST ours, that's it!" I hate the fact 7th heaven requires admin access to work. Like wasn't there a way around that? There must've been one. It totally messes up my game flow when I'm using steam and picture mode. I can't have that. So I just won't use it.

And the fact the disc checks are still active on an exe after all these decades. I thought someone would've just said "Yo, people can buy this game on steam, the disc version is ancient, I'm getting rid of the disc check. It's an inconvenience." I'm not the programmer though, that's on them. It's on me to figure out ways around that.

Frustrating is all.
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A lot of mods can be applied manually, but it would be up to you to educate yourself on how to do everything the long way without causing numerous crashes. Once devs figure out an easier/more convenient way to do something, they move on from the older, more complicated one. Keeping support for the most tedious way to do something seems backwards, imo. In this way, 7H has evolved to fit that need. That it requires a check for a legitimate version of the game has been (from what I've been told) a necessary measure in keeping this long-running community in the company's good (or at least indifferent) graces.
If any of us garnered enough attention with a mod that led to company scrutiny of the community, the very last thing this place would need is finding out that the software distributed here made it possible to disable legitimacy checks. We'd have no one to blame for over a decade of progress being flushed down the toilets just cause people don't want to pay $4-12 for a game. In the name of self preservation, touching that as little as possible is the LEAST we could do.


That being said, if someone had a specific setup for how they like to play their games, with very little flexibility/adaptation-to-change/circumstances on their part, having them getting uppity at a mod developer for not catering to their very specific quirk would seem a bit selfish, wouldn't you say? Don't know if that helps put it in perspective for you
 
A lot of mods can be applied manually, but it would be up to you to educate yourself on how to do everything the long way without causing numerous crashes. Once devs figure out an easier/more convenient way to do something, they move on from the older, more complicated one. Keeping support for the most tedious way to do something seems backwards, imo. In this way, 7H has evolved to fit that need. That it requires a check for a legitimate version of the game has been (from what I've been told) a necessary measure in keeping this long-running community in the company's good (or at least indifferent) graces.
If any of us garnered enough attention with a mod that led to company scrutiny of the community, the very last thing this place would need is finding out that the software distributed here made it possible to disable legitimacy checks. We'd have no one to blame for over a decade of progress being flushed down the toilets just cause people don't want to pay $4-12 for a game. In the name of self preservation, touching that as little as possible is the LEAST we could do.


That being said, if someone had a specific setup for how they like to play their games, with very little flexibility/adaptation-to-change/circumstances on their part, having them getting uppity at a mod developer for not catering to their very specific quirk would seem a bit selfish, wouldn't you say? Don't know if that helps put it in perspective for you
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Nah I get it. Square Enix must be pretty anal if they would do something like that. I guess I'm used to mod communities like Half Life and Fallout. Valve and Bethesda/Obsidian/Black Isle must be pretty liberal in that I've never heard of any mods over there implementing disc checks, or hell leaving them in if the original game had it. But if that's how Square Enix wants to play, so be it. It'll be up to me figure out a way past that.

Reminds me of Nintendo and and taking down AM2R. Maybe it's a Japanese company thing. Eh.

Edit: Now that I think about it. I don't think Reunion implements any disc checks. I'll have to test that out. Been a while since I used it. Maybe you guys are a bit more strict/careful.
 
My mod ESUI will adjust the max hours that can be displayed, there is also other menu mods but I am not sure if they do it as well.
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I see, thanks! But which option does activate this? I downloaded "Enhanced Stock UI-rel2" but I can't find an option for the clock. Also, I cannot activate all those UI mods as they're creating a conflict with the translation mod.
Which option exactly is for rising the max playtime hours of the clock?
 
Now that I think about it. I don't think Reunion implements any disc checks. I'll have to test that out.
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Go for it, try it out if you think you'll like it. Letting you know in advance though that it doesn't play well with nearly any other mod due to the way its implemented. Hilariously, sometimes it doesn't even play well with itself.
 
Go for it, try it out if you think you'll like it. Letting you know in advance though that it doesn't play well with nearly any other mod due to the way its implemented. Hilariously, sometimes it doesn't even play well with itself.
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that's really not true on either account, i make it my business to install every mod out there that i can find for FF7, i've got dual setups with reunion and ffnx+7h on 3 different PCs

the reunion installations boot up successfully the first time, every time - and i cant say the same about 7h

as far as mods go, complex UIs + gameplay mods are about all that cant be used in reunion... (because reunion comes with a UI mod, menu enhancement - and the translation interferes with gameplay mods... but you can turn that off and still use the gameplay mods that way) which ends up being a very small percentage of mods out there - i'm also in the process of bridging the UI gap as well, but i wont go into a reunion feature list since this isnt the place

the point is... if we're doing a 7h vs reunion stability competition, reunion wins easily and its not even close

and your claim of reunion not playing well with "nearly any other mod" is also almost the complete opposite of the truth - i can think of 4, and those 4 actually work just not with 100% functionality

i have the right to criticize 7h or FFNx if i feel like it because i actually use them and know what i'm talking about, i criticize reunion a lot too but then those things get fixed  :wink:
 
I have been getting this error message every time i tr to launch the game with mods activated, i have already tried to reinstall both the game and 7th heaven but it did not work

"System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
parameter name: ptr
in
System.Runtime.InteropServices.Marshal.GetDelegateForFun
ctionPointer(IntPtr ptr, Type t)
in EasyHook.NativeAPI_EasyHook.GetDelegate[T](String
name)
in
EasyHook.NativeAPI_EasyHook.RtIGetlastErrorStringCopy0
in SeventhHeaven.Classes.Gamelauncher.LaunchGame
(Boolean varDump, Boolean debug, Boolean
launchWithNoMods, Boolean LaunchWithNoValidation)"
 
I see, thanks! But which option does activate this? I downloaded "Enhanced Stock UI-rel2" but I can't find an option for the clock. Also, I cannot activate all those UI mods as they're creating a conflict with the translation mod.
Which option exactly is for rising the max playtime hours of the clock?
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There is no specific option its just automatically enabled when the mod is on.


Which translation mod are you using?
 
I can use 2.0 just fine, except field textures won't load on 2.0. BUT whenever I launch ff7 with 2.2, I get

23:23:11|WARN|SeventhHeaven.Classes.GameLauncher|   received errors: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: ptr;  ...
23:23:11|ERROR|SeventhHeaven.Classes.GameLauncher|Failed to inject after max amount of tries (14) ...
23:23:11|ERROR|SeventhHeaven.Classes.GameLauncher|System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null.
Parameter name: ptr
   at System.Runtime.InteropServices.Marshal.GetDelegateForFunctionPointer(IntPtr ptr, Type t)
   at EasyHook.NativeAPI_EasyHook.GetDelegate[T](String name)
   at EasyHook.NativeAPI_EasyHook.RtlGetLastErrorStringCopy()
   at SeventhHeaven.Classes.GameLauncher.LaunchGame(Boolean varDump, Boolean debug, Boolean launchWithNoMods, Boolean LaunchWithNoValidation)


Ive tried running as admin etc. Ive also tried deleting the settings.xml as I know it say theres a nul value somewhere.... Kinda frustrated, Im hoping its something.... simple. Yes I have also reinstalled both 7th heaven and FFVII in different places on my hard drive. Even used the registry cleaning tool for ffvii and I am dumbfounded...

Asfar as I can tell there's some null error or easyhook error? No idea. On windows 10.
 
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