[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.999992)

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I'm about to enter the final north crater, but already collected some lvl 4 limit and 3/4 special cave materia.
everything is really cool up to now a part from 2 things ( imo ). during Kalm Cloud flashback Sephiroth suffers damage. this is a big let down on the epic narrative of that section. I'd keep the old "zero" damage that sephiroth takes, just to enrich that section with the old feeling of him being unbeatable.
on a second note, I think that the Stardust item is way too powerful. I tried every comp in KOTR cave to beat that boss and reached a good wipe after 20-30 min (serpent on 15% hp left). tried every item on the boss to see every outcome, then I tried Stardust.  Stardust switched from 30-40 minutes fight into a 6 turn fight. it's a clever bypass or a cheese?
a part from these two details you did an INCREDIBLE work!!! and I still have to see the final part! thanks for your effort, you are a myth!!
 
I'm about to enter the final north crater, but already collected some lvl 4 limit and 3/4 special cave materia.
everything is really cool up to now a part from 2 things ( imo ). during Kalm Cloud flashback Sephiroth suffers damage. this is a big let down on the epic narrative of that section. I'd keep the old "zero" damage that sephiroth takes, just to enrich that section with the old feeling of him being unbeatable.
on a second note, I think that the Stardust item is way too powerful. I tried every comp in KOTR cave to beat that boss and reached a good wipe after 20-30 min (serpent on 15% hp left). tried every item on the boss to see every outcome, then I tried Stardust.  Stardust switched from 30-40 minutes fight into a 6 turn fight. it's a clever bypass or a cheese?
a part from these two details you did an INCREDIBLE work!!! and I still have to see the final part! thanks for your effort, you are a myth!!
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I'll try implementing the immunities again.

As for Stardust, it was nerfed a fair bit but then put back the way it was because some people had taken an interest in speedrunning the mod. When the final update goes out, it'll be more in line with everything else but still fairly powerful.
 
Hi Sega Chief, some things:

In Frog status my chars can still cast Pearl.

I just fought a serpent - at low HP she countered every move with Serpent Sand but targeted itself. The counter is tedious and the selfcast probably not intended (Proud Clod lists Slow-Numb + Darkness on All).

Also i am just watching a speedrun of your mod by Caleb and he did something i never heard of - [Added Effect] + [Barrier] in a weapon. With this he was able to put Shield / Wall / Reflect on his party members and...uh...was that always a thing, even in vanilla? Super cheap and with [Slash-All] i just did that to my party with one move.
I will abstain of this (for now) but...do you plan to balance that out (maybe by giving more bosses dispels) or do you have faith in the discipline of your playerbase?  8)

It's not like i want to see that removed - i actually like that some chars can spend their attacks for buffs and heals. And right now the useful Resist status balances this out anyways...somehow.
But maybe the Shield effect should get separated from the Barrier materia - the whole packet would be a powerful lategame combo that comes at the hefty price of -30 DEF/MR.
The parts of that combo could be nice for Aeris' weapons btw - staffs that provide Barrier or Mbarrier (or Regen or Antidote effect...). :--)
 
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Just needed to vent... no complaint yet....

First try on the mime tonberry x6 boss.....

after waiting ages for a turn.... Cloud is dead, Tifa is petrified, Aerith is stopped+60 second timer on her head, which does not count down.

30 minutes later and the fight don't seem to end. Tonberry's only miss and walk. Been watching this fight ages. My hate for tonberry (and mostly the obnoxious anoying animation) is at it's peak. I have yet to give this boss a serious attempt... but damn the waits on this fight make me very reluctant.
 
Wait what did I get? I just beat Vincent boss for his limit and it gave me two items. I thought it was his limit and ultimate weapon but it was just his limit. So what did I get? follow question I have, how do you unlock everyone's ultimate weapon? Is that a different side quest? is information on them somewhere. Thanks for the help.
 
Hi Sega Chief, some things:

In Frog status my chars can still cast Pearl.

I just fought a serpent - at low HP she countered every move with Serpent Sand but targeted itself. The counter is tedious and the selfcast probably not intended (Proud Clod lists Slow-Numb + Darkness on All).

Also i am just watching a speedrun of your mod by Caleb and he did something i never heard of - [Added Effect] + [Barrier] in a weapon. With this he was able to put Shield / Wall / Reflect on his party members and...uh...was that always a thing, even in vanilla? Super cheap and with [Slash-All] i just did that to my party with one move.
I will abstain of this (for now) but...do you plan to balance that out (maybe by giving more bosses dispels) or do you have faith in the discipline of your playerbase?  8)

It's not like i want to see that removed - i actually like that some chars can spend their attacks for buffs and heals. And right now the useful Resist status balances this out anyways...somehow.
But maybe the Shield effect should get separated from the Barrier materia - the whole packet it would be a powerful lategame combo that comes at the hefty price of -30 DEF/MR.
The parts of that combo could be nice for Aeris' weapons btw - staffs that provide Barrier or Mbarrier (or Regen or Antidote effect...). :--)
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Pearl replaced the Frog spell, which is why that happens. Frog has special hard-coded access to that spell ID, next time I'll replace Mini with Pearl to avoid this.

AI oversight probably, I'll sort it.

I added the Barrier effects to Barrier Materia with the thought of giving a means to block Reflect, but for whatever reason decided to add all the Barrier effects to it. Pretty much forgot about it until some players started speedrunning the mod and I'm now in a tricky spot where removing this effect pretty much puts an end to feasible speedruns but leaving it in presents a balance issue some players might not be able to ignore. So it'll stay in for now, and then be removed from the final update because most of the files will be getting changed and the way I'm trying to design it will mean the game can be beaten in roughly the same time as the original.


Just needed to vent... no complaint yet....

First try on the mime tonberry x6 boss.....

after waiting ages for a turn.... Cloud is dead, Tifa is petrified, Aerith is stopped+60 second timer on her head, which does not count down.

30 minutes later and the fight don't seem to end. Tonberry's only miss and walk. Been watching this fight ages. My hate for tonberry (and mostly the obnoxious anoying animation) is at it's peak. I have yet to give this boss a serious attempt... but damn the waits on this fight make me very reluctant.
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Yeah, they're super slow. Best thing to do is get Quadra Magic from the blue cave, combo it with Bahamut ZERO, and then buff the caster's magic up as high as possible and let it loose. Quadra 'breaks' the summon use limit allowing for it to be cast the same number of times Quadra has levelled so after dealing with their counter-attack, it can be cast again (Quadra and other materia can be levelled rapidly in North Crater, left-up path). Also avoid having any petrify resistance; if one stabs you, dispel the resist and then esuna/soft the petrify. If you have resistance to petrify then it won't be possible to remove the status.

The fight will be gone from next update so enjoy it while you can s:

Wait what did I get? I just beat Vincent boss for his limit and it gave me two items. I thought it was his limit and ultimate weapon but it was just his limit. So what did I get? follow question I have, how do you unlock everyone's ultimate weapon? Is that a different side quest? is information on them somewhere. Thanks for the help.
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It's just the Limit Break, if it also displayed text for giving the weapon then that's in error but it might have dropped something else. I'll check when I get back from work (about to leave now).
 
Follow up on the Vincent cave, the other item was an oversoul shard; 9 of which are used to make a Masamune at that blue house near Gongaga on the world map. There were other things it needed as well; a yoshiyuki and a ribbon I think. The masamune can be equipped by any character, takes on the appearance of their base weapon, and has a 100% crit rate.
 
Hey,

First time poster here. I came accross this mod thanks to Maximilian's playthrough. It seems super rad, and I want to extend my congratulations to everyone who worked on it. A lot of thought went into it, and it shows.

I have a question. Is the mod still actively worked on substantially, or is what's available pretty much it? I'm asking because I don't mind waiting a bit for a potentially upcoming new version (though I think I would like to play it before Remake comes out).

Thanks
 
Hey,

First time poster here. I came accross this mod thanks to Maximilian's playthrough. It seems super rad, and I want to extend my congratulations to everyone who worked on it. A lot of thought went into it, and it shows.

I have a question. Is the mod still actively worked on substantially, or is what's available pretty much it? I'm asking because I don't mind waiting a bit for a potentially upcoming new version (though I think I would like to play it before Remake comes out).

Thanks
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The mod is complete in the sense that everything is in there, the only incomplete thing is the speak to party in towns feature as that only extends to Junon and Kalm at the moment.

What happens is, I tend to do patches for bugs now and then with balance tweaks or occasionally implement something that was suggested based on notes that I collect. Then after a while, I do a full sweep of the files and upgrade the version number if there were significant changes made.

The next planned upgrade is the last one, there's fundamental balancing issues in the mod that I'm going to sort out but that requires a full revamp of the game's enemies. It'll be more drastic than the previous upgrades, but also still a fair ways off so it's probably best to just go with what's currently there.

Give my regards to Max; I've not had the chance to speak to him directly (seems like a busy guy), but I hope he's still enjoying the mod and not hit any serious snags with bugs or balancing.
 
Man I was having a blast in disc 1! I felt strong but not to strong, felt like a good balance. Hit disc 2 and this power creep is insane! My character are almost 99 and they're just getting shit on. I'm always on the back burner, I think myself "hey I'll go get this item or this ability it will help". I get there and that item or ability is gone! It's been replaced with something that won't help, like I'm contently being cucked to stay underpowered. Which really sucks because the only way I see getting stronger at this point is to cheat and that's a let down. Thought this mod wasn't a hard mode? I was thinking of playing the other difficulty after this play through, but after seeing what disc 2 is like I think I'll just be done after this. Yup, this mod broke me. First time cheating in a FF. feelsbadman.
 
Man I was having a blast in disc 1! I felt strong but not to strong, felt like a good balance. Hit disc 2 and this power creep is insane! My character are almost 99 and they're just getting strawberries on. I'm always on the back burner, I think myself "hey I'll go get this item or this ability it will help". I get there and that item or ability is gone! It's been replaced with something that won't help, like I'm contently being cucked to stay underpowered. Which really sucks because the only way I see getting stronger at this point is to cheat and that's a let down. Thought this mod wasn't a hard mode? I was thinking of playing the other difficulty after this play through, but after seeing what disc 2 is like I think I'll just be done after this. Yup, this mod broke me. First time cheating in a FF. feelsbadman.
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Just to check, how many sources are your characters getting when using the rank up function? Is it 1-3 or 5-15?
 
Just to check, how many sources are your characters getting when using the rank up function? Is it 1-3 or 5-15?
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it's 5-15. 5 of other sources. 10-15 for what I picked.
 
@PenguinGatez
Do you mind to elaborate on your difficulties further? I am especially interested in your solutions so far.

For my Arrange playthrough i decided to get as much defense as i can on my chars and then build a slow, controlled playstyle around them. A lot of Resist. And so far that works quite well; not without its share of problem but i like the results. FF7 damage reduction gets ridiculous when you reach 250+.

It seems the mod has some kind of failsafe methods: When i lacked damage, i fought with Barret and his Drill Arm - this way i got guaranteed ~2,5k - 4k damage. Normal attacks don't shred me anymore if i stack Cover Materia. There are Touph Rings and Weapons with 50 SPR (lol). And almost every enemy is susceptible to at least 1 status ailment.
 
Sorry for barging in but i feel like i should give my feedback on my 1:30h experience so far. I heard about this mod from someone in another game and decided to try it. Seeing as vanilla FFs are all extremely easy i decided to go for Arranged. Ohh boy, common enemies attack twice before my char can queue an input and bosses attack 3 times. I'm stuck at the sewer monster after Cornello because Aeris stays unconscious, forcing me to 2x1 a boss whose normal attack deals 500 to Tifa, she has 450hp, and 340 to Cloud with defense items.

Now, it could be my fault since i read that the mod has some sort of customized stat upgrade, but i have no idea how to use or even how to reach it, everyone has the same stats since the start.

Seriously, i just died to the rapist trio on Cornello mansion because they attacked 6 times before my queued attack was used.

Edit: Managed to kill the sewer monster out of pure luck, Aeris dodged a back attack wave, which normally instantly kills her, in time to use her barrier on both again. Also i was using maximum battle speed, which was what was causing the insane enemy attack queue even with wait atb.
 
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@PenguinGatez
Do you mind to elaborate on your difficulties further? I am especially interested in your solutions so far.

For my Arrange playthrough i decided to get as much defense as i can on my chars and then build a slow, controlled playstyle around them. A lot of Resist. And so far that works quite well; not without its share of problem but i like the results. FF7 damage reduction gets ridiculous when you reach 250+.

It seems the mod has some kind of failsafe methods: When i lacked damage, i fought with Barret and his Drill Arm - this way i got guaranteed ~2,5k - 4k damage. Normal attacks don't shred me anymore if i stack Cover Materia. There are Touph Rings and Weapons with 50 SPR (lol). And almost every enemy is susceptible to at least 1 status ailment.
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I just feel underpowered, everything in disc two just got stronger when I more or less stayed the same. Basically by end disc one most of my character we're 8/8, so they couldn't get stronger in disc 2. Went from hitting for about 6k in disc one to only hitting for maybe 2k-3k. Grinding didn't help because I basically don't get stronger for being higher level. The bosses basically hit for all my health, my characters health is around 6500 health. So in every fight I'm basically on back burner spending more time spamming life or cure. There was the hole issues with being silenced even through I was wearing a item that stop silence and being silence still after death. The boss battle that broke me was for Yuffi. Every idea I had just didn't work, they would cast ability that remove you from the game. Thought hey, I'll silence them and then kill them. Nope they can still uses their ability while silence, thought if they could remove me maybe I can remove them. Nope doesn't affect them.

Even rocking sadness isn't enough, mobs or bosses would still basically hit for all of my health. Other issue is everything is moved, I would love a ribbon but they're moved. Tried to get something I think would help or increase my defense and it's gone. Items on mobs you could steal would be replaced by a less item. Like fighting Reno and Rude in The Sunken Gelnika are different and aren't as good. Put the finishing touches, I spawned in my Ultimate weapons and gave me max stats in the game. I was still only hitting for 2-4k... What really pushed me over the edge an made me just go play FF15 is cloud... Cloud with max stats and ultimate weapon hit a boss for 6 damage with a limit...
 
Mmh in my first playthrough i cheated (:-[) and gave myself a sack of stacks, basically double or even triple the usual amount.

Despite of that i got random game overs (sea worm, beachplugs >:() and i realized that i still had to use strategy. Before the last fight in the crater i decided to screw it and put these strategies to use in a new game. Without cheats and with a good plan from the beginning. Some impressions, maybe they are helpful to rediscover the joy of NT:

What helped/still helps me:

Slow/Very slow battle speed and the use of the [wait]-"trick" (basically not wasting turns). Had to learn to stop the time by entering and holding commands super fast. Putting the cursor to [memory].
Extreme/ridiculous charbuilds, for example a 2nd row Barret with stacked Cover/Touph Ring who cannot do much except tanking but does that extraordinarily well. Right now most of my chars fight with 210-250+ Def/MRes. And at this point i win almost every battle of attrition.
The same Barret in the front row is a surprisingly capable damage dealer with the drill arm. Although the hit chance was sometimes infuriating.
Clouds lvl1-Limit lowers the defense of enemies/provides the rare paralyze status so i decided that he will mainly do that. Some lvl3 limits are traps imho, especially Cloud's.
Almost no status protection since those materias lower my stats. Even cheated max stats got lowered too much (for my taste, at least). I protect myself with Resist. This way i can solve the problem of piercing status attacks (dispel - esuna and they are fine).
I still don't know if and how enemies counter and get double attacks so i am very careful/almost paranoid with my command inputs.

Stumbling blocks were:

Wolfmeister, because of his def-ignoring sword. I spent some elixirs or even a megalixir. Barriers helped me to survive. Barret's drill arm brought him down.

Epiolnis encounter in the Ancient forest (lol). Actually all attacks which lower stats permanently (like its Acid Rain) and force me to deal damage as quickly as i can.

Yuffie's mystery Ninja fight was hard, had to restart several times.
I wanted to berserk her servants and block with Cloud but they ignore def and i couldn't bear that amount of damage. Putting them to sleep + slow did the trick.
The rest of the fight was healing (threw elixirs/megalixirs left and right)/dispelling/buffing and slowly dealing damage with Deathblow + Added Cut. She had ridiculous evasion at some point so i used Tifa's God Hand and a Masamune for Yuffie from Fort Condor. And i could paralyze the Ninja with Cross-Slash.

Sometimes the game felt like low-lvl Icewind Dale with it's increased focus on items and stats and means of protection and i really enjoy this kind of gameplay.
I got used to the fact that i probably will never be able to bust out the 9999s. At least not without special setup (Master Fist under Sadness/Silence/Poison on a Braver'd enemy?).
Right now i fought 3 of the 4 Special Materia guardians and did the 3 extra battles in the Battle Arena. Not broken yet. :--)

I use Proud Clod liberally though and maybe that's a form of cheating?
 
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So I'm on 'Disc' 3, and made it to the bottom of crater. Got the call that there'd be another NPC to talk to about weapons and other NT material. Problem is....

There isn't.

The only NPC that's there is telling me about the level 4 limit breaks. I have nothing for anything else. I'm assuming it's meant to tell me about the ultimate weapons, since I've yet to see those, but there's no one else there, and no new info in that particular NPC. Color me confused.
 
Sorry for barging in but i feel like i should give my feedback on my 1:30h experience so far. I heard about this mod from someone in another game and decided to try it. Seeing as vanilla FFs are all extremely easy i decided to go for Arranged. Ohh boy, common enemies attack twice before my char can queue an input and bosses attack 3 times. I'm stuck at the sewer monster after Cornello because Aeris stays unconscious, forcing me to 2x1 a boss whose normal attack deals 500 to Tifa, she has 450hp, and 340 to Cloud with defense items.

Now, it could be my fault since i read that the mod has some sort of customized stat upgrade, but i have no idea how to use or even how to reach it, everyone has the same stats since the start.

Seriously, i just died to the rapist trio on Cornello mansion because they attacked 6 times before my queued attack was used.

Edit: Managed to kill the sewer monster out of pure luck, Aeris dodged a back attack wave, which normally instantly kills her, in time to use her barrier on both again. Also i was using maximum battle speed, which was what was causing the insane enemy attack queue even with wait atb.
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The reason I called it arrange mode was to try and divert people away from jumping into a hard mode for the first run. I would recommend starting it up on normal mode.

The stat-up system isn't accessed until shortly after you've left Midgar, in the Mythril Mines.


I just feel underpowered, everything in disc two just got stronger when I more or less stayed the same. Basically by end disc one most of my character we're 8/8, so they couldn't get stronger in disc 2. Went from hitting for about 6k in disc one to only hitting for maybe 2k-3k. Grinding didn't help because I basically don't get stronger for being higher level. The bosses basically hit for all my health, my characters health is around 6500 health. So in every fight I'm basically on back burner spending more time spamming life or cure. There was the hole issues with being silenced even through I was wearing a item that stop silence and being silence still after death. The boss battle that broke me was for Yuffi. Every idea I had just didn't work, they would cast ability that remove you from the game. Thought hey, I'll silence them and then kill them. Nope they can still uses their ability while silence, thought if they could remove me maybe I can remove them. Nope doesn't affect them.

Even rocking sadness isn't enough, mobs or bosses would still basically hit for all of my health. Other issue is everything is moved, I would love a ribbon but they're moved. Tried to get something I think would help or increase my defense and it's gone. Items on mobs you could steal would be replaced by a less item. Like fighting Reno and Rude in The Sunken Gelnika are different and aren't as good. Put the finishing touches, I spawned in my Ultimate weapons and gave me max stats in the game. I was still only hitting for 2-4k... What really pushed me over the edge an made me just go play FF15 is cloud... Cloud with max stats and ultimate weapon hit a boss for 6 damage with a limit...
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The fight for Yuffie's Lv.4 Limit:

The two enemies accompanying the boss will counter with a whirlsand-type attack when killed. Instead of killing them, they should be incapacitated using statuses. The following work against both:
Sleep, Confu, Silence, Slow, Stop, Berserk

Slow, Stop, and Sleep are great when used together because Stop freezes the runtime of other statuses meaning you have a buffer after Stop wears off to reapply the status as the enemies will still be incapacitated.

Berserk is a more permanent alternative that forces them to use only their physical attack instead of their other abilities like Curse, etc. but their base physical lowers defence stats by 5% on the target each time so be careful if going this route.

Confu can turn them on the boss for you, but they may hit themselves and remove Confu (I think this can be prevented with the use of Resist so that they remain Confused) or accidentally kill the other and prompt Whirlsand.

Izanami has an ability called Blessing which buffs the main boss' stats by 15% so this one should be incapacitated first if you need to choose. Silence should block this.

You can open the battle strong with Alexander to reliably inflict Stop on both the flying cohorts (it also can't kill them as they have 10,000HP and damage cap is still 9999 in this mod) but you'll need to be careful about using multi-target damage after that. Follow that Stop up with Slow and Sleep to keep them down for a long time.

As for the boss itself, Paralysis works so Cross Slash or some Dazers can help if you need a breather. Holy element is the way to go damage-wise, as Poison doesn't work against undead enemies. Elements to defend against are Holy, Fire, and Water (2 attack use Water). Shout is also used; this can be blocked using Elemental + any Bahamut summon in your armour. You likely won't be able to block them all, so pick which attacks are causing the most trouble and block those:
Uzume Fall: Holy (multi-hit, inflicts Darkness), base 8 x10 hits
Leviathan: Water (same as summon, inflicts Silence, ignores MDef)
Kagura: Shout, Confu/Silence, hits all, base 40
Sunyata of Fire: Fire, Inflicts Slow, swaps target Row, base 55
Sunyata of Water: Water, Removes Sadness/Fury, base 72

One thing to watch for is buffs that the boss will use. Sunyata of Wind gives Haste and Auto-Crits, so have Dispel handy to remove that ASAP. Sunyata of Earth is a Wall + Reflect, so Debarrier can take care of that. For status defence, Confu is likely the priority but if you block the elemental damage of an attack then you don't need to worry about the statuses attached to that attack.


The Limit breaks dealing 6 damage sound like something's wrong though. Another user mentioned that as well.

When I do tests, outgoing damage tends to range from 1500-2000 for physical attacks (per physical, not total from a 4x-cut for instance) with spells reaching up past 5000 to 9999 depending on the enemy. If you guys can send me your save files so I can have a look, it'll help me figure out what's going wrong.

But I think what I'll do tonight is, I'll do a quick sweep and drop out some of the things that have been causing consistent issues like attacks that ignore status defence, speeding up the yellow cave fight, maybe upping the damage player party deals, etc. Not sure when my final update is going to be ready, so better I do some maintenance now instead of waiting it out any longer.


So I'm on 'Disc' 3, and made it to the bottom of crater. Got the call that there'd be another NPC to talk to about weapons and other NT material. Problem is....

There isn't.

The only NPC that's there is telling me about the level 4 limit breaks. I have nothing for anything else. I'm assuming it's meant to tell me about the ultimate weapons, since I've yet to see those, but there's no one else there, and no new info in that particular NPC. Color me confused.
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That's the only NPC, not sure why it said it would talk about the weapons. For those, go to the NPC in the blue house near Gongaga on the world map. He's the one who makes them. Also check in at the operations room, there's a new NPC on the right of that room who allows for party leader swaps to Tifa or Cid.
 
Hi Sega Chief,

an All + Regen spell just missed on one of my chars. Equipment was this:

Red XIII with with Crystal Comb / Rune Armlet / Touph Ring cast it on everyone and
missed Tifa with Crystal Glove / Rune Armlet / Touph Ring.

Red had iirc darkness but nothing else. First time that happened at all.

I was in combat with a Sea worm near Mideel, he attacked me with Sandstorm and i cast Regen on all. It missed and i cast it again with her as a target. Then it worked.

/Edit: wtf, again. It worked on the 2 others and missed Tifa.
/Edit 2: And again. But only Tifa gets missed. Red had darkness.
/Edit 3: Might be the Touph Ring? Now Cid cast it on the party and missed himself: Partisan / Rune Armlet / Touph Ring

Tifa is the party leader btw and Cloud not yet found.

I can upload a save, if necessary.
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I've had this as well. It happens whenever a party member has an accessory that halves restorative. I figured that the way it works is it gives Regen a 50% chance to miss.

Regen also won't hit if the party member is shielded.
 
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