[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.999992)

[levantine]

Ahh that's it, i will try it later but i see wich option you speak about UpRisen ! I played a lot to this game, so during the speaking, i spam a lot the X touch for pass it as fast as possible x)

 

[Crossfade]

Ummmm I may have done something in the game and Weapon has disappeared (the one that flies around). I have flown all over the map and cant seem to find him anywhere ... I have done all the special battles in the battle arena and dark cave (not sure if I was supposed to before killing weapon).

If someone can help me that would be amazing ty

Edit: Nvm I found him in the crater haha

 

[Neclock]

why Cloud's weapons were so sharply nerfed ?, In addition to its innate ability is a little useless because it activates very late and only serves in boss fights, It should be changed by something like:

Mako energy

The damage of Cloud increases the less ps you get ...

Or something like that but Cloud needs a buff ... His weapons above all, Why seriously, Seeing the cloud weapons with Black chocobo until Butterfly edge has less damage than the Buster sword  :-\, On the other hand is the mod good, Pretty complicated the truth 

 

[UpRisen]

Alot of weapons in New Threat give actual stats instead of just having high attack values. This tunes the damage down so you dont hit the cap early but still makes the characters very strong. If you think Cloud is weak because of his weapons then you either chose the wrong stat upgrades for the weapon you are using, or you just dont quite grasp the value of extra stats like + 10 spirit or dex.
So it may seem like cloud got nerfed, but actually hes been buffed pretty nicely. Hes the 3rd best character in the mod.

 

[CrinosWolf500]

Hi, I would like to say that I like the addition of updated models in this mod. Barrett, Cloud, Tifa and Aerith's field models have some nice new features. However one thing that bothered me is the NPC's models, as said in the notes, you got rid of the gaping "O" mouths that they all have, which I am pleased about because they just looked out right creepy and stupid with those mouths. However, you also removed the mouths from the main characters, which I understand that maybe you're trying to give them the original retro Playstation look by simply giving them a blank mouth texture, but I honestly think you should just give them their mouths back since they had regular ones in comparison to the NPCs.

Also, while I was looking through the forums on the case of the NPC's mouths, I came across this thread: https://www.ff7catalog.com/threads/9785/ which contained a post from you back in 2013. You posted three different links, one that simply removes all NPCs mouths, one that removes all mouths from all characters including the main ones (which gives out the same look the models have in this mod), and one that simply gives the NPCs the same kind of mouths that all the main characters have.
This might just be personal preference, but I think you should have gone with the option of just giving the NPCs the same kind of mouths as the main character's field models have.
I know you may have other projects in the works, but if you ever plan to update this, do you think in the future you could provide an optional file that will give the main characters their mouths back and will also give the NPCs the same kind of mouths as them? Like I said, I understand that your maybe trying to recreate the original retro look of the PS1 release, but personally I think the models would look better if they just had the same kind of mouths as the main characters in a vanilla game. It'll make them look more unique if you ask me, instead of just having straight out blank mouths.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

 

[azrael gargamel]

hi guys, I just have a question.
I ended the v1.54, but I found no Enemy skill materia.
Is that normal? Did I miss it or it doesn't exist?

 

[Neclock]

Alot of weapons in New Threat give actual stats instead of just having high attack values. This tunes the damage down so you dont hit the cap early but still makes the characters very strong. If you think Cloud is weak because of his weapons then you either chose the wrong stat upgrades for the weapon you are using, or you just dont quite grasp the value of extra stats like + 10 spirit or dex.
So it may seem like cloud got nerfed, but actually hes been buffed pretty nicely. Hes the 3rd best character in the mod.

Thanks for the inconvenience of answering  :lol:, The truth is that at the beginning Cloud was strong because I started climbing levels, but now that I'm on the 65th floor of Shinra HQ (First time) I have noticed that its damage is minor despite it has 2 levels more than the others, including magic attack, a doubt, in which turn is the skill activated? and what is the best weapon for normal attacks in early game for Cloud?

 

[Neclock]

Alot of weapons in New Threat give actual stats instead of just having high attack values. This tunes the damage down so you dont hit the cap early but still makes the characters very strong. If you think Cloud is weak because of his weapons then you either chose the wrong stat upgrades for the weapon you are using, or you just dont quite grasp the value of extra stats like + 10 spirit or dex.
So it may seem like cloud got nerfed, but actually hes been buffed pretty nicely. Hes the 3rd best character in the mod.

And what do you mean with: "then you either choose the wrong stat upgrades for the weapon you are using" ?

 

[Sega Chief]

Hi, I would like to say that I like the addition of updated models in this mod. Barrett, Cloud, Tifa and Aerith's field models have some nice new features. However one thing that bothered me is the NPC's models, as said in the notes, you got rid of the gaping "O" mouths that they all have, which I am pleased about because they just looked out right creepy and stupid with those mouths. However, you also removed the mouths from the main characters, which I understand that maybe you're trying to give them the original retro Playstation look by simply giving them a blank mouth texture, but I honestly think you should just give them their mouths back since they had regular ones in comparison to the NPCs.

Also, while I was looking through the forums on the case of the NPC's mouths, I came across this thread: https://www.ff7catalog.com/threads/9785/ which contained a post from you back in 2013. You posted three different links, one that simply removes all NPCs mouths, one that removes all mouths from all characters including the main ones (which gives out the same look the models have in this mod), and one that simply gives the NPCs the same kind of mouths that all the main characters have.
This might just be personal preference, but I think you should have gone with the option of just giving the NPCs the same kind of mouths as the main character's field models have.
I know you may have other projects in the works, but if you ever plan to update this, do you think in the future you could provide an optional file that will give the main characters their mouths back and will also give the NPCs the same kind of mouths as them? Like I said, I understand that your maybe trying to recreate the original retro look of the PS1 release, but personally I think the models would look better if they just had the same kind of mouths as the main characters in a vanilla game. It'll make them look more unique if you ask me, instead of just having straight out blank mouths.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Those were my first mods. I went with the psx-style because I felt it was a better fit for the scenes, as the models, animations, etc. rely a lot on impressionism (as in, your brain fills in the missing details based on context).

I could add a 7H option where it restores the texture, and a mini-installer that patches an NT char.lgp with the textures. I think I still have the files here.

hi guys, I just have a question.
I ended the v1.54, but I found no Enemy skill materia.
Is that normal? Did I miss it or it doesn't exist?

There are two potential causes, and both are pretty bad:
1. Did you start from a new game or from the Reactor 1 save point? Some players start from that save to skip the opening FMV but this means the intended initial state for all the characters, etc. isn't set so you end up with Red XIII joining without Enemy Skill equipped.

2. If playing through 7H version, it hasn't been set up properly and so the kernel isn't getting patched by the program. This means something was missed during installation, like the Game Conversion.

Thanks for the inconvenience of answering  :lol:, The truth is that at the beginning Cloud was strong because I started climbing levels, but now that I'm on the 65th floor of Shinra HQ (First time) I have noticed that its damage is minor despite it has 2 levels more than the others, including magic attack, a doubt, in which turn is the skill activated? and what is the best weapon for normal attacks in early game for Cloud?

I think in the current build, whenever a Limit Break is used Cloud gets a boost to Strength and Magic; this wears off after a while and can then be triggered again by another Limit Break.

When you leave Midgar, you'll start to pick up additional weapons. The idea was to balance the early-game weapons against each other, and then phase them out with direct upgrades as you progress further into the game.

These weapons are also designed to compliment the stats you decide to boost for the characters, a feature that is unlocked after clearing the Mythril Mines.
Buster Sword: high base attack, less materia slots
Mythril Saber: lower attack, but boosts Magic
Hardedge: Boosts defence
Force Stealer: Drains HP as damage

When you reach Cosmo Canyon, the Buster Sword becomes redundant as Butterfly Edge gives slightly higher attack while also giving a Dexterity boost and more materia slots.

 

[CrinosWolf500]

Sounds good to me, as long as you release an option to restore the mouths and gives the npcs "normal looking" mouths (the same as the main characters), then I'll be happy with that. Thanks

 

[jugend]

So it may seem like cloud got nerfed, but actually hes been buffed pretty nicely. Hes the 3rd best character in the mod.

Gonna have to  disagree with you. He's totally outclassed by cid/yuffie/barret. And I'd say Tifa too, just because what she brings to the party is pretty ludicrous.
Anyone who can backline with no damage penalty is instantly more valuable than anyone who can't -50% damage >>>>>>

 

[Webbhead08]

I hadn't use the November hot fix and after resetting my Ranks I saw SP was reset, but the sources were not taken away or cancelled (could be a fun game breaker...)

But, is there currently no way to properly reset ranks then ?

Thanks as always -

 

[Sega Chief]

The reset was to fix the ranks in the savemap, but the sources themselves are retained. In the overhaul build I'm going to implement a proper reset so players can respec characters.

 

[991woot119]

Where do I get the enemy skill that used to be Alpha since Alpha Zolom doesn't use that any more? The "where is the thing" file seems a bit outdated, e.g. still listing L5 suicide when that's been replaced with Quarry Fuse.

I tried looking around kernel.bin and it seems like "Alpha" was replaced with "Transfusion" but I can't find any enemies that actually have that skill in scenes.bin

 

[Sega Chief]

Where do I get the enemy skill that used to be Alpha since Alpha Zolom doesn't use that any more? The "where is the thing" file seems a bit outdated, e.g. still listing L5 suicide when that's been replaced with Quarry Fuse.

I tried looking around kernel.bin and it seems like "Alpha" was replaced with "Transfusion" but I can't find any enemies that actually have that skill in scenes.bin

I think it's on Death Joker in the Crater, but the scene still lists it as Alpha. What the game does is, it checks the attack ID and if it's lower than a certain value it'll grab the info for the attack from the kernel instead of the enemy attack list. That means attacks can be changed in the kernel and left as-is in the scene. Usually I keep the two consistent for sanity's sake but I haven't done it this time.

 

[soku]

Hi Sega Chief and fellow community,

I love your mod, it's really great, thank you.
I learned from my mistake of giving gjoerulv feedback just when I was finished, since I took long breaks and therefore forgot a lot.
If that is of any relevance: I am using the Steam version on Win7.
So without further ado, I'm gonna tell you all the stuff I noticed:

Dialogue:
In Midgar Sector 7, there is this one boy with brown spikey hair who likes to eavesdrop Cloud and Tifa.
The first chance you talk to him, he says somthing like "Explosions, explosions! Avalanche is so cool". So far so good.
His dialogue is changeing the more you progress in the Sector 7 part of the story. But for some reason, on later dialogues, his last sentence is always "Explosions, explosions! Avalanche is so cool". I'm pretty sure that's unintended since that doesn't fit to what he said earlier in that conversation (eg eavesdropping Cloud and Tifa).

In sector 6, there is a house where a man lives, who distrusts both Shinra and Avalanche (upstairs is the boy with the 5 gil / Turbo Ether and the Turtle note). He has a TV. When you approach the TV, the news states that Avalanche blew up "Reactor No. 1 today" - either 1 should be replaced with 5, or today with yesterday.

Kudos to you for improving the mess the original translators (or even the Japanese writers, i dunno, haven't played the original JP version yet) did with Corel. By that I mean eg that in North Corel everyone talked about Barret destroying their town, but their town clearly is located under the Gold Saucer (where the prison is) - with your new dialogue, all of that makes more sense now.

Also the story in the prison itself was not very well - how the hell did Dyne become the boss so quickly? Making Mr. Coates the actual Boss makes much more sense.
But there is also a thing or 2 which could make the whole prison story better:
Only Cloud, Cait Sith and a third person were at the crime scene in Gold Saucer. How did Dyne, Barret and the rest of the party end up in prison too? I know that is too much to ask for, but explaining via dialogue is fine too. Afair, it's now the same explanation from the other party members - "After we heared what happened, we followed you", or smth like that. Not very feasable, and also doesn't explain how Dyne and Barret ended up there.
And just one minor thing about that: there is this one man wandering in prison on the way to Dyne. He says "Dyne is in a bad mood today. Or was it one of his better days?" - Dyne is appearantly here for less than a day - strange that he can judge on that.

Balancing:
Yes I know you don't want NT to become a hard mod. But I feel massively overpowered. Here's the reason:
with early access of Morph (and there is also Steal), I (and I'm sure others as well) wanted to explore all the possible surprises, which means encountering all the enemies and Steal from and Morph them. So I actually never grinded, but Cloud already is Lv. 40 in Niebelheim. I "discovered" the enemy list too late so to say, but then again I found out that the said list is appearantly from an older version, as a tiny part of the information on the current list is incorrect.

At New Game, as well as reaching Gold Saucer for the first time, I was asked if I want to play "Arrange" mode. The only info I have is that Arrange is "harder". Can you please give more info on that? Didn't even find that on the FAQ. Doesn't have to be extremely precise - a couple of sentences like "Enemies give less Exp and have more HP" etc. would be enough.

Just a personal opinion: I don't like it that so far every weapon for Aeris has an extra materia slot compared to the others' weapons (even the double grwoth weapon).  "You want more materia growth without grinding? Too bad, you have to put Aeris in your party".

Vitality and Spirit are still useless - at least compared to Strength and Magic - or if you already have like over 200 def. In battle, I literally can't tell the difference if my armor provides 10 or 30 def. While this is an issue brought up by vanilla FF7, the Mr. Smile upgrade system is something new. Judging from all the options you have (if you disregard the 2 OP options for Aeris), 1 Strength is "worth" the same as 1 Dex, 1 Vit, 1 Mag, 1 Spr and 1 Luck. But in reality, 1 Spirit and 1 Vitality are worth much less. While it's probably not your aim to change the algorithms (which would also be too much to ask for), I, personally, would think, the options where Vitality and Spirit are involved should grant more Spirit and Vitalioty as they do now. The Accessories also won't suffer from providing more. And the armor could also have bigger gaps, so you actually can tell the difference in battle if you have a Four Slots or a Gold Bangle equipped.

Events:
I love the way Yuffie joins the party!

Thank you for the skipping options! I for one haven't used them, as I also wanted to see the altered dialogue. But I'm gonna use them in future probably.

However, I have one particular question: When skipping Cloud's (fake) past, what "did he do"? Eg. for vanilla FF7, Cloud has to play the piano in order to get an extra Elemental materia from Nibelheiom while Tifa leads the party. When skipping, what did Cloud do? Did he enter Tifa's house, played the piano, and sniffed her panties :3 ? It would be very pity to lose out a materia just for skipping a long story you already know.

EDIT: Also, shoutout to the Fort Condor Teleport Guy!

Music:
I like to play with the battle theme. But on some areas (I think all those with new event battles, like where you place the bomb in No. 5 reactor) you never get the Battle theme (field music keeps playing), but you get the victory fanfare. Not a major issue, but I just wanted to tell that.


Conclusion: Very great mod so far! Ofc I don't expect you to alter anything just because one random internet dude told you to. I would also be glad if you just give responses to my suggestions. Thank you very much!

 

[unsecured1]

I mostly like what you've done here mate.

I just reached Junon. So here's my 2cents so far:

- Battles in the original were over way too quickly however they're now a bit too long for my taste, the water snakish boss before junon fight wasn't hard, just boring. Too many hp. Same goes for random battle. A tad too long. +karma for new ai though.

- In vanila there was almost not character customization (limits aside and minor stat change aside) so I really like what you've done.
A bit dissapointed in some inate powers : some do seem to be vastly superior than others. Cloud's one seems particularly lacking (although I was never able to proc it for some reason).
On a side note I read that there's no more access to sources, so I'd like to know if can you still morph your stat to 255 in the sunken plane? Since you can only get a limited number of sp boost, that'd be really mean regarding the end-game!

- Really like what you've done with weapons/equipments. No downside in in my book.

- Same goes with materia (and early access to some), just really sad that long-range is not available anymore. I fail to see the need to remove that one, having to sacrifice one materia slot was pricy enough imo. I am really affraid of going melee route sp build with non-ranged characters (altough I really want my cloud to swing that sword! ). Don't wanna get stuck going magic user for any non ranged character ! We'll see...

- Thanks for getting rid of them boring mini games...

- I could do things wrong but I noticed some frustrating difficulty spikes. For example you get access to sp quite late : the turks fight was a pain, very very very long fight again). Normal attacks seems to be largely inferior to magic ( with early access to osmose ) early on. I do remember that it was quite the same in the unmodded version so it could get better later on.

So nice job overall, I'll play a bit more and see.

 

[Sega Chief]

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I'll clean up the inconsistencies in text.

As far as Defence goes, it seems to scale up and hits a tipping point of some kind. A character with 200+ defence becomes very tough to kill. The character AI currently doubles the held defence value so your defence stats are actually 2x what they would be in default (enemy defence actually does the same in default game).

When skipping the Nibelheim flashback, all the flags needed to obtain Elemental materia later on are flipped. He'll mention playing the piano during the whirlwind maze illusion.

Music has a few inconsistencies; I implemented it in a fairly sloppy way that breaks in scenes where multiple music tracks are used. I've tried to patch this up as best I can for the time being but will be sorting it out properly at some point in the future.

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For physical attacks, Elemental materia is quite important as it'll double your damage. You can gain access to mostly all the elements early on as some were added to support materia; restore/life has Holy on it, Heal has Water element, etc. One thing to remember is that anything to do with Jenova will always be weak to Holy, large/heavy enemies will be weak to Earth, flying enemies will be weak to Wind, stuff like that. For randoms, Fire/Ice tends to work.

Buffing the stat up with armour/accessories can help as well. Physical builds can be really effective if you invest in them, so stick at it. At Gongaga you'll find Added Cut materia which can be great with a physical-built character as they'll be able to hit with Magic and follow up with a physical attack for potentially huge damage.

The Turks fight in Mythril Mines I think was altered so that only one of them had to be beaten to end the battle. Did you have to KO both of them?

 

[991woot119]

How do you get Crystal Glove after you've done the huge materia quest, since it's needed for Tifa's ultimate weapon? After heading back to Junon the dog's still blocking the way and the door to the underwater reactor's locked, and in the spreadsheet I can't find any other enemy to get Crystal Glove from.

 

[unsecured1]

I'll clean up the inconsistencies in text.

As far as Defence goes, it seems to scale up and hits a tipping point of some kind. A character with 200+ defence becomes very tough to kill. The character AI currently doubles the held defence value so your defence stats are actually 2x what they would be in default (enemy defence actually does the same in default game).

When skipping the Nibelheim flashback, all the flags needed to obtain Elemental materia later on are flipped. He'll mention playing the piano during the whirlwind maze illusion.

Music has a few inconsistencies; I implemented it in a fairly sloppy way that breaks in scenes where multiple music tracks are used. I've tried to patch this up as best I can for the time being but will be sorting it out properly at some point in the future.

For physical attacks, Elemental materia is quite important as it'll double your damage. You can gain access to mostly all the elements early on as some were added to support materia; restore/life has Holy on it, Heal has Water element, etc. One thing to remember is that anything to do with Jenova will always be weak to Holy, large/heavy enemies will be weak to Earth, flying enemies will be weak to Wind, stuff like that. For randoms, Fire/Ice tends to work.

Buffing the stat up with armour/accessories can help as well. Physical builds can be really effective if you invest in them, so stick at it. At Gongaga you'll find Added Cut materia which can be great with a physical-built character as they'll be able to hit with Magic and follow up with a physical attack for potentially huge damage.

The Turks fight in Mythril Mines I think was altered so that only one of them had to be beaten to end the battle. Did you have to KO both of them?

Yes I had to KO both of them.
Speaking about Gongaga I can't seem to be able find the Added Cut Materia. I get Deathblow instead, I read that both were swapped in a previous ver or something, so I wonder if I am actually playing the latest NT ver (I dl the latest 7th heaven ).

Thanks for the repply mate.