[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.999992)

[Sega Chief]

Couple things:

-In the Mythril Mines, transitioning to the area where the Turks ambush you gives a black screen and an error window pops up saying "An unknown exception has occurred." I'm not using any other mods, just 2.07 Game Type B Hard Mode. But reloading and trying the transition again and it works fine, so...

-I'm getting gil from enemies in the Mythril Mines on Hard Mode.

-The Elphadunk enemy doesn't have a morph item, if that matters to you.

Also,

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a small thing, but in Game Type B Elena still mentions how the party put Reno "out of action" in the Mythril Mines, even though in B you've yet to encounter him, as Sector 7 wasn't crushed with the plate (yet?), and the Turk you fought in the church was Rude. Unless I'm just forgetting some run-in with Reno or something.

i am having the same exact issues flacidapplebottoms is having.   it worked fine in type a, but seems to crash in type b during the transition to that area

The issue seems to be that it breaks on the first attempt but then after reloading it works after that. This is a very strange bug which I'm going to have to try and replicate somehow.

 

[Kurne]

when i toggle hard mode during the battle it shows "hard mode on" but when the battle is over it shows "hard mode off"?  same concept just in reverse should i do the battle again.  i'm not sure which is on or off.  maybe it turned itself off during last patch, going to go face a battle and see if i keep getting gil now


edit:  it appears that was the case

1: was set to hard mode prior to last update.   
2:  after update i started gaining gil.
3: i went to save and toggled hard mode.   during the battle it showed Hard mode ON.  After the battle i got a pop up saying Hard Mode OFF.  I am no longer getting gil from enemies so i assume i now have hard mode back on even though it shows off?

 

[Sega Chief]

when i toggle hard mode during the battle it shows "hard mode on" but when the battle is over it shows "hard mode off"?  same concept just in reverse should i do the battle again.  i'm not sure which is on or off.  maybe it turned itself off during last patch, going to go face a battle and see if i keep getting gil now


edit:  it appears that was the case

1: was set to hard mode prior to last update.   
2:  after update i started gaining gil.
3: i went to save and toggled hard mode.   during the battle it showed Hard mode ON.  After the battle i got a pop up saying Hard Mode OFF.  I am no longer getting gil from enemies so i assume i now have hard mode back on even though it shows off?

Sounds like they're out of synch; the one reported in-battle should be the accurate one as it's the actual battle variable used by enemies to set themselves up. The field variable only affects that message shown. I'll need to figure out how a desynch between the field var and the battle var occurred; maybe it started out that way or there's a bad toggle on one of the save points.

I wasn't able to replicate the Mythril Mines crash; I started from Kalm area and headed down there, triggered the Zolom field screen in case it's a music instruction of some sort, and cleared the cave out but didn't see it. I deleted an unused field model from there just in case it affects it but an issue like this sounds like something in memory is carrying over to the field and causing it to break, something which is then cleared on a reload. Typically this could be audio/volume instructions or similar.

 

[gnollboll]

Hey again, cool that you managed to do the thing with Midgar post-reactor 5 in such short notice (Although the Corneo cup thing only triggered a battle with the games first two soldier enemies for me)
Another mention is the scene when Cloud explains to the party in the Hotel at Golden Saucer what's up with Sephiroth and stuff up to that point, and he mentions Aeris being the one who Shinra kidnapped (Type B that is)
Whatever happened to the music when you fight the dragon boss in Temple of the Ancients? Was pretty cool to have some remixed music thrown into the mix.

 

[Aerodynamics]

Hello Sega Chief, glad to know NT 2.0 is finally out!

Is midcore difficulty harder than the standard difficulty on NT 1.5? I find the 1.5 standard difficulty a bit on the easy side and the 2.0 a little on the hard side. Is mid-core any different?

 

[gnollboll]

Oh and another thing, since you changed the ratio of draining hp and mp, the osmose spell is very... lacking.
Is there perhaps a chance you could revert the change on the MP side at least?

 

[Sega Chief]

Hey again, cool that you managed to do the thing with Midgar post-reactor 5 in such short notice (Although the Corneo cup thing only triggered a battle with the games first two soldier enemies for me)
Another mention is the scene when Cloud explains to the party in the Hotel at Golden Saucer what's up with Sephiroth and stuff up to that point, and he mentions Aeris being the one who Shinra kidnapped (Type B that is)
Whatever happened to the music when you fight the dragon boss in Temple of the Ancients? Was pretty cool to have some remixed music thrown into the mix.

It should be the right battle ID now, but if not then this next update will definitely correct it.

Some dialogue needs to be caught that references Type A continuity, I'll add alt dialogue to this scene now.

The theme that played in 1.5 was dropped, on Type A it's more of a mid-boss than anything else.

Hello Sega Chief, glad to know NT 2.0 is finally out!

Is midcore difficulty harder than the standard difficulty on NT 1.5? I find the 1.5 standard difficulty a bit on the easy side and the 2.0 a little on the hard side. Is mid-core any different?

There is no midcore difficulty, just normal mode and an optional hard mode; Type A and Type B may be harder/easier than each other in places depending on the situation. Midcore is the term I use to describe the mod's intended level of difficulty as a whole; the aim is for a middleground. I had this aim for both 1.5 and the 2.0 rebuild.

Oh and another thing, since you changed the ratio of draining hp and mp, the osmose spell is very... lacking.
Is there perhaps a chance you could revert the change on the MP side at least?

Think it's an all or nothing kind of deal. I'm considering a buff for draining effects again though, if there's space. Worst case I'll set it back to 100% rate.

 

[flacidapplebottoms]

I'm considering a buff for draining effects

Not a bad idea. Right now Materia like HP Absorb don't have the impact necessary to justify using a Materia slot for them, IMHO.

 

[Schrödinger]

In Game Type B:

Spoiler

Assault Gun works as having All (not sure if it has long range too). I reckon this is not intended.
Tifa said "I'm coming along with you this time" (incohesive)

PS: PATCHED

 

[Sega Chief]

In Game Type B, Assault Gun works as having All (not sure if it has long range too). I reckon this is not intended.

It's intended for all of Barret's machine guns to have the toggle All property.

***
v2.0.8 Update is now up:

Spoiler

v2.0.8 - 5/08/2020
*) Icicle Inn: Innkeeper had Barret name on one of his dialogue lines.
*) Mt. Nibel: Chests visible during Cloud's Memory Flashback.
*) Chocobo Ranch: Chocobos being moved into stable would fade to black during selection screen.
*) Submarine: Aeris position was overlaying Yuffie's.
*) Shinra HQ: Vending Machine price check fixed.
*) Shinra HQ: An issue where the script would jump players to the wrong Floor 67 after a Type B scene.
*) Sector 5 Slums: Cloud could clip through the Sector 7 gates under certain conditions in Type B.
*) Shinra HQ: Cloud mixes up character names in the stairwell.
*) Cargo Ship: Barret would say two sets of lines which are intended to differ from Type A to Type B.
*) Church: Altered scene when re-entering the Church early on Type B.
*) Sector 7: Tifa's lines change on Type B when saying she'll come along this time.
*) Train: Cloud line changes on Type B.
*) Save Point: Corrected a variable trigger for Hard Mode toggle.
*) Wall Market: Corneo's Mansion sealed off during certain parts of Type B.
*) Mt. Nibel: The boss on Mt. Nibel would not vanish after being defeated under certain conditions.
*) Kalm: Some dialogue with Red XIII would not match events on Type B.
*) Wall Market: An unused Cait Sith was visible in the diner on Disc 2/3.
*) Ancient Forest: Resized text at entrance.
*) Blue Materia Cave: Changed text when picking up the Materia.
*) Ultimate Weapon: Corel Reactor encounter had some attacks not set with an animation.
*) Cactuar: Added check for decrementing run chance + deactivation AI.
*) Cobalt XIV: Fixed AI target for Ice2.
*) COMMANDO: Text for an attack name had REDBOX in it.
*) Gondola: An issue where a 2nd Cloud could appear.
*) Cait Sith: Can no longe regen MP past his maximum when not defending.
*) Yuffie: Innate altered, now has a Defend-activated ability called Throwlette.
*) Red XIII: Innate altered, max stat gain is now +45 instead of +35.
*) Documentation: Item location for a 1/35 Soldier updated.
*) Hard Mode: Toggle on field screens was opposite to the one reported in-battle (actual setting).
*) Elfadunk: Morph added (Tent).
*) Mythril Mines: Dialogue altered for Type B continuity.
*) Ghost Hotel: Dialogue altered for Type B continuity.

The Hard Mode toggle won't correct on an affected save file though unfortunately; ignore what the field text says as it's the opposite. New Games will have the correct On/Off message.

 

[PokeFaize]

Hopped on my Game Type A file while waiting for 2.0.8 (which released as I was about to type this up lol), and wanted to let you know Aerith's healing staffs trigger Cover. Cait had this problem in 1.5 with his MP Restoring Megaphones, and I assume his scaled off of Strength rather than Magic like Aerith's healing staffs used to. I remember you saying that you changed Aerith's healing staffs to scale off of Strength so Strength and Luck would have some use on a Magic focused Aerith.

EDIT: almost forgot, where's the documentation for the "where to find enemy skills"?

 

[gnollboll]

EDIT: almost forgot, where's the documentation for the "where to find enemy skills"?

It's in the Item and Materia placements file

 

[PokeFaize]

It's in the Item and Materia placements file

I'm looking at the one bundled with the installer and it doesn't have Enemy Skill locations. Does the one from the documents download link have the locations listed?

 

[Sega Chief]

I'm looking at the one bundled with the installer and it doesn't have Enemy Skill locations. Does the one from the documents download link have the locations listed?

Yeah it does, I'll add it to the installer docs next time.

Edit: I added a link to Berub's google spreadsheet of the extracted item drops, steals, and morphs for enemies to the front page of the thread.

 

[boozek]

what are the prices on rufus ceremony defilade march and then the presentation?
is it worth to try get the best score or not?
any missable items?

also why in the live presentation buttons are displayed as PAD symbols?
when on the training it showed "OK","MENU" etc.

 

[gnollboll]

During the WEAPON attack in Junon disc 2 Scarlet mentions dropping the plate
What kind of tools do you use to change the game you do? Is it Makou reactor?

 

[Sega Chief]

what are the prices on rufus ceremony defilade march and then the presentation?
is it worth to try get the best score or not?
any missable items?

also why in the live presentation buttons are displayed as PAD symbols?
when on the training it showed "OK","MENU" etc.

100+ = Silver Armlet
60+ = Titan Bangle
Below 60 = Nothing

I did a mass search-replace for the button icons, but for some reason a few didn't come through. I'll change the ones you mentioned.

During the WEAPON attack in Junon disc 2 Scarlet mentions dropping the plate
What kind of tools do you use to change the game you do? Is it Makou reactor?

Makou Reactor is the tool used to change the field script; it opens the flevel.lgp in FF7/Data/Field.

 

[gnollboll]

Neato, been considering lately to do a mod for FF8 since this has inspired me a lot

 

[Sega Chief]

Neato, been considering lately to do a mod for FF8 since this has inspired me a lot

For FF8, you'll want the Deling tool; similar deal but doubles up as an archive manager as well for importing/exporting modified files to .fs archives. To edit FF8 field script, open a field.fs found in FF8/Data/lang-en (if Steam original release) using Deling.

 

[Walker--1995]

It's intended for all of Barret's machine guns to have the toggle All property.

***
v2.0.8 Update is now up:

Spoiler

v2.0.8 - 5/08/2020
*) Icicle Inn: Innkeeper had Barret name on one of his dialogue lines.
*) Mt. Nibel: Chests visible during Cloud's Memory Flashback.
*) Chocobo Ranch: Chocobos being moved into stable would fade to black during selection screen.
*) Submarine: Aeris position was overlaying Yuffie's.
*) Shinra HQ: Vending Machine price check fixed.
*) Shinra HQ: An issue where the script would jump players to the wrong Floor 67 after a Type B scene.
*) Sector 5 Slums: Cloud could clip through the Sector 7 gates under certain conditions in Type B.
*) Shinra HQ: Cloud mixes up character names in the stairwell.
*) Cargo Ship: Barret would say two sets of lines which are intended to differ from Type A to Type B.
*) Church: Altered scene when re-entering the Church early on Type B.
*) Sector 7: Tifa's lines change on Type B when saying she'll come along this time.
*) Train: Cloud line changes on Type B.
*) Save Point: Corrected a variable trigger for Hard Mode toggle.
*) Wall Market: Corneo's Mansion sealed off during certain parts of Type B.
*) Mt. Nibel: The boss on Mt. Nibel would not vanish after being defeated under certain conditions.
*) Kalm: Some dialogue with Red XIII would not match events on Type B.
*) Wall Market: An unused Cait Sith was visible in the diner on Disc 2/3.
*) Ancient Forest: Resized text at entrance.
*) Blue Materia Cave: Changed text when picking up the Materia.
*) Ultimate Weapon: Corel Reactor encounter had some attacks not set with an animation.
*) Cactuar: Added check for decrementing run chance + deactivation AI.
*) Cobalt XIV: Fixed AI target for Ice2.
*) COMMANDO: Text for an attack name had REDBOX in it.
*) Gondola: An issue where a 2nd Cloud could appear.
*) Cait Sith: Can no longe regen MP past his maximum when not defending.
*) Yuffie: Innate altered, now has a Defend-activated ability called Throwlette.
*) Red XIII: Innate altered, max stat gain is now +45 instead of +35.
*) Documentation: Item location for a 1/35 Soldier updated.
*) Hard Mode: Toggle on field screens was opposite to the one reported in-battle (actual setting).
*) Elfadunk: Morph added (Tent).
*) Mythril Mines: Dialogue altered for Type B continuity.
*) Ghost Hotel: Dialogue altered for Type B continuity.

The Hard Mode toggle won't correct on an affected save file though unfortunately; ignore what the field text says as it's the opposite. New Games will have the correct On/Off message.

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im playing the latest version of new threat and im at the point aeris dies but i get no option to keep her alive in the dialogue before the FMV, is this because im playing game mode A or is it changed in 2.0? the mod is great man keep up the amazing work! this is the most fun ive had with FF7 thank you so much