[FF7PC-98/Steam] New Threat Mod (v2.0.999992)

[wdx]

for anyone having gil grind issues with type b heres a handy price guide

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soon as great glaciere money worries will be over due to w-item glitch and feeding the silver chocobo the correct item


ITEMLIST v0.4 new threat v2.05   SELL PRICE
stardust   25000
relicring   10000
partisan   9500
crystalsword   9000
amcanon   9000
crystalcross   9000
crystal mphone   9000
winchester   9000
crystalcomb   8500
cystalglove   8000
microlaser   8000
growlance   8000
cauldron   7500
kaiserknucker   7500
scimiter   7500
gold mphone   7500
centoclip   7000
spiralshuriken   7000
mastaxe   6500
longbarrel   6500
dragonfang   6000
enhancesword   6000
organics   6000
solidbazoka   6000
hawkeye   6000
lariat   6000
wizzardbracelet   6000
reflectring   6000
adamclip   5500
red mphone   5500
herodrink2   5000
diamondknuckle   5000
chocofeather   5000
gaeamulet   5000
riskring   5000
protectring   4500
dragonscales   4000
ednicoat   4000
pheonixring   4000
glacierring   4000
princessgaurd   3750
trident   3750
javelin   3750
powerwrist   3750
earing   3750
jemring   3750
peacering   3750
safetybit   3750
viperhalberd   3500
fairyring   3500
buntline   3400
hairpin   3000
magicshuriken   3000
marasame   2750
slashlance   2750
blue mphone   2750
shortbarrel   2700
chainsaw   2650
stylusgreen   2500
zeionut   2500
goldbarrette   2500
razerring   2500
whitecape   2500
furyring   2500
dragonclaw   2400
aurorarod   2400
crystalbangle   2400
solararmlet   2400
auroraarmlet   2400
voltaicarmelt   2400
yoshuki   2100
powersoul   2100
birdwing   2000
talisman   2000
starpendant   2000
runesword   1900
umbrella   1900
dragonarmlet   1900
runearmlet   1850
plusbarret   1750
peacemaker   1750
protectvest   1750
drillarm   1650
enemylauncher   1650
silver mphone   1650
snipercr   1650
rocketpunch   1600
wizerstaff   1600
twinviper   1600
diamondbangle   1600
shotgun   1550
mirror   1500
8inchcannon   1500
regaalgreens   1500
carobnut   1500
superball   1500
trumpetshell   1500
lightgun   1500
silverglasses   1500
headband   1500
butterflyedge   1400
nailbat   1400
black mphone   1400
platfist   1350
heavyvulcan   1350
prismstaff   1300
pinwheel   1300
tigerfang   1250
silverbarrette   1250
fairytale   1250
green mphone   1200
white mphone   1150
forcestealer   1100
workglove   1100
megalixir   1000
remedy   1000
ghosthand   1000
smine   1000
provnut   1000
wmachinegun   1000
magiccomb   1000
windslash   1000
goldarmlet   1000
vampfang   900
motordrive   900
wizzardsstaff   900
platinumbangle   900
vaccine   750
vagyriskclaw   750
mimmetgreen   750
pramnut   750
hardedge   750
shinraalpha   750
dazers   700
atomicscissor   700
boomerang   700
diamondpin   650
strickingstaff   650
silverarmlet   650
fourslots   650
rightarm   630
grandglove   600
spear   600
elixer   500
curielgreen   500
myrthilsaber   500
quicksilver   500
warrior bangle   500
canonball   475
shinrabeta   475
lunurcurtain   450
turboether   400
fireviel   400
icecrystal   400
swiftbolt   400
earthmallet   400
mtentacles   400
lightcurtain   400
pahsanagreen   400
cosmoclip   400
fullmetalstaff   400
carbonbangle   400
gigasarmlet   400
stormring   400
myrthilclaw   375
mutemask   300
lasannut   300
4pointshuriken   300
adambangle   300
ether   250
hourglass   250
holytroch   250
impaler   250
shrivel   250
tsbomb   250
tent   250
yellow mphone   250
sprintshoes   250
speeddrink   225
kiss of death   220
xpotion   200
firefang   200
antarticwind   200
boltplume   200
earthdrum   200
deadlywaste   200
molotov   200
tantalgreen   200
sarahanut   200
myrthilrod   185
smokebomb   180
assultgun   175
myrthilarmlet   175
shrapnel   170
metalknuckle   160
pheonixdown   150
dreampowder   150
wargong   150
dirtybomb   150
titanbangle   140
spiderweb   125
locoweed   125
krakkagreen   125
hipotion   100
graviball   100
luchilnut   100
ironbangle   80
soft   75
maidens grace   75
cornucopia   75
gaurdstick   70
echodrops   50
hyper   50
tranq   50
ink   50
gysahl green   50
pepenut   50
leatherglove   50
bronzebangle   50
antidote   40
grenade   40
potion   25
cacturgun   25
zenogiasplate   25

i have not included anything worth less than 25 gil in the above list

 

[DefMettle]

https://ibb.co/LrvvcL0 v2.0.91
does this need changing?

 

[Sega Chief]

Spoiler

Something weird happened in the KOTR fight. I can't exactly remember what happened, but I think this was the sequence:

*stuff happened* --> Cid died --> Shinryu cast the zombie thing that said it is permeating the air --> Cid was revived with Renew --> I could control Cid normally --> Cloud died --> I couldn't target Cloud to revive him, including with Renew --> eventually Aeris died --> I couldn't target anyone now, but Cid was still alive --> Cid spent the next 10+ minutes slowly chipping down Omega until he died.

Disclaimer: I don't know exactly when Cid died. But, I definitely couldn't target Cloud or Aeris once they died, and I definitely cast Renew on Cid to revive him at some point.

During Cid's Zombincibility, Omega never did anything, I assume because Cid couldn't be targeted (because I couldn't target Cid with anything either). I only occasionally saw the " Target Locked!" pop-up, but with no animation from Omega.

I didn't remember the info about Zombie from the Beginner Hall, and I didn't find info about Statuses in the Documentation (can I suggest putting it in the Balancing document?), so the only info I found was from these posts, and it sounds like you should still be able to target and cast spells (like Barrier/MBarrier) on Zombie-d characters.

If you want, you can wait until tomorrow, and I'll try the fight again and recreate what had happened.

I had a look and it's almost certainly to do with a change I made between the 1.5 AI and the 2.0 AI, which was to make afflicted characters untargetable. I've reverted this back and set them to be immune to restorative instead; I think that Phoenix/Goblin Song can get around this effect though, as they're not technically elemental but applied through a special flag on that attacks themselves.

A couple more bugs

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ruby weapon did not spawn for me at all but the other weapons did, not sure of the cause.

In nibelheim path to reactor the first time in the room with the pipes where you fight the boss blocking the right side of the screen(atm I think) the boss stays there after defeating him allowing you to fight him a second time after which he disappears. You get sp for both battles having me end up with 5/4 upgrades for each character. Game type B.

Also you mentioned Junon league being disabled for this build, is that for both game modes or just B?

As for the feedback for game mode B after finishing it, medgar is excellent. Content past midgar is a little sparse particularly once you get the highwind.(which was somewhat the case in base game as well but what was there was pretty good.

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As for suggestions to pad that out, perhaps take the optional things and tie them in to mandatory quests? Things like ancient forest, materia caves, weapon fights, etc. Apart from that small sidequests for each of the towns could help there as well to make the game world seem a bit more alive. Perhaps tracking down zack's last mission details for his parents, helping Marlene in kalm, putting Seto to rest in Cosmo canyon or perhaps rumors of another of red 13s species surviving (to explain the kids he has in the final cutscene), Junon league eventually for junon, a quest to earn the villa in Costa del sol etc just small things like that.

As for possibilities for more drastic changes if you felt you wanted to go that route, eliminating the ending cutscene and using scene work to replace it could lead to interesting possibilities with different outcomes or if possible even clipping the final fMV to only show certain parts to craft a new narrative. At one point in the story some background 8nfo was leading me to speculate the story may have changed to be cloud and sephiroth being competing prototypes rather than a master and clone setup, which could be an interesting path to go down. Perhaps dr gast having escaped and created cloud as an anti sephiroth weapon through elmyras DNA being infused to create a jenova cell vs ancient cell situation. At another point it seemed almost as if sephiroth had been rewritten to be less psychopathic and seemed like the possibility was there of him joining the team in the fight against jehovah which could also have been interesting, but of course a lot more work. Just ideas if you decide to change things further.

Ruby spawns after after a certain number of random battles are fought and/or fields are visited once Ultimate Weapon is killed.

That double-boss in Nibelheim should have been fixed as of the latest patches. Are you on the current version?

https://ibb.co/LrvvcL0 v2.0.91
does this need changing?

Yeah, I've updated it now in my current files for v2.0.92.

My game keeps getting stuck after the optional battle in Midgar Underground with the Turks. Whether or not I fight them, Rude always comes running in from the 4th wall and keeps running into a pillar, and keeps running, basically softlocking the game.

Help?

Are you on v2.0.6 or later? If so, let me know which characters are in your team as this affects the scene. For now, try PHSing Tifa in (or out) of your team and reattempting it, assuming you're on the most recent version.

 

[storminjnorman]

I hadn't updated, and when I did it worked. Tried to delete my message but it was too late! Thanks!

 

[lycancowboy1989]

Ruby spawns after after a certain number of random battles are fought and/or fields are visited once Ultimate Weapon is killed.

That double-boss in Nibelheim should have been fixed as of the latest patches. Are you on the current version?

I am on the current version as far as i know. This occurred the day before yesterday, and the file was started two days before that immediately after updating. if it was patched out at some point after the 12th of august then it may be that, but otherwise im updated already.

as for ruby weapon ultimate weapon had been killed and had probably fifty or so battles on the overworld before trying to go after him, at which point he was not there. If the threshold for battles fought is higher than forty or so after ultimate then you can just ignore that bug and ill try again after more fights.

 

[Sega Chief]

I hadn't updated, and when I did it worked. Tried to delete my message but it was too late! Thanks!

Ah cool, no worries.

I am on the current version as far as i know. This occurred the day before yesterday, and the file was started two days before that immediately after updating. if it was patched out at some point after the 12th of august then it may be that, but otherwise im updated already.

as for ruby weapon ultimate weapon had been killed and had probably fifty or so battles on the overworld before trying to go after him, at which point he was not there. If the threshold for battles fought is higher than forty or so after ultimate then you can just ignore that bug and ill try again after more fights.

I'll check into Mt. Nibel again then.

Ruby's spawn has always been a bit erratic; it should be the same as in vanilla. General consensus is that it's Ultimate Weapon defeated, then one random battle on the world map:

But a few other things I found:
1) Some people claim that Ruby can spawn but still be invisible. Try flying down low around the desert area just in case.
2) Diamond Weapon is claimed to be another requirement.

 

[LeOsTyLe]

Junon League was deactivated in this build, though the script handling it is still in there in case it gets re-implemented but I've no plans to currently.

Is there any reason you removed it? The Junon League was a really cool idea in my opinion.
I hope there is no more content from NT 1.5 deactived.

 

[Schrödinger]

Gameplay feedback for Type B (Hard Mode, No Sources): I've just only finished Cosmo Canyon but so far I 've found the difficulty more than manageable. I've never die, never had to use items other than the casual potion/phoenix, never run from a battle. I'm using ATB Wait ofc. Problem is the Gil. I don't want the money to make my life easier but I want to have at least "one of each". It's not fun to have to skip some weapons (specially now that they're so different from each other) or materia. And there's the Condor War, that requires to have at least 4k in the pocket everytime. I was thinking about toggling to no exp, easy mode to grind gil but that just seems gimmicky. So, I'd reconsider about the No Gil feature of hard mode. Just my two cents. Awesome mod either way!

 

[LeOsTyLe]

Gameplay feedback for Type B (Hard Mode, No Sources): I've just only finished Cosmo Canyon but so far I 've found the difficulty more than manageable. I've never die, never had to use items other than the casual potion/phoenix, never run from a battle. I'm using ATB Wait ofc. Problem is the Gil. I don't want the money to make my life easier but I want to have at least "one of each". It's not fun to have to skip some weapons (specially now that they're so different from each other) or materia. And there's the Condor War, that requires to have at least 4k in the pocket everytime. I was thinking about toggling to no exp, easy mode to grind gil but that just seems gimmicky. So, I'd reconsider about the No Gil feature of hard mode. Just my two cents. Awesome mod either way!

A tip for fast money in Hard. In "early" game go for Morph Kalm Wolves (almost 3k per Battle, minus some "wrong" enconters") and in "Midgame" Cosmo Canyon Beach (on averange almost 8k per Battle). You can prepeare Morph with Spell+All. You have to adjust the Magic stat of the caster so the morph Character can kill them with 1 Morph. I had like 50-60 Kalm Wolves now i am out of money and luckiely i just arrived in cosmo canyon.

But yeah 0 Gil can be annoying.

 

[Pruntarious]

Have many of the side quests in disc 3 changed compared to v1.5?

Got to the bottom of the crater and there wasn't the phone call about the New Threats. I've noticed some of the final weapons and limits have changed yeah but have you gotten rid of the Mt Nibel, Corel side missions? Those were fun...

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Also just went to Lucrecia's cave on Disc 3 with Tifa as leader.... Game soft locks.

 

[Sega Chief]

Is there any reason you removed it? The Junon League was a really cool idea in my opinion.
I hope there is no more content from NT 1.5 deactived.

It could make a return, but no plans yet.

Gameplay feedback for Type B (Hard Mode, No Sources): I've just only finished Cosmo Canyon but so far I 've found the difficulty more than manageable. I've never die, never had to use items other than the casual potion/phoenix, never run from a battle. I'm using ATB Wait ofc. Problem is the Gil. I don't want the money to make my life easier but I want to have at least "one of each". It's not fun to have to skip some weapons (specially now that they're so different from each other) or materia. And there's the Condor War, that requires to have at least 4k in the pocket everytime. I was thinking about toggling to no exp, easy mode to grind gil but that just seems gimmicky. So, I'd reconsider about the No Gil feature of hard mode. Just my two cents. Awesome mod either way!

Seems to be the emerging consensus; a revision to hard mode will need to wait for a 2.1 update I think as it'd be a fair bit of work.

Have many of the side quests in disc 3 changed compared to v1.5?

Got to the bottom of the crater and there wasn't the phone call about the New Threats. I've noticed some of the final weapons and limits have changed yeah but have you gotten rid of the Mt Nibel, Corel side missions? Those were fun...

Spoiler

Also just went to Lucrecia's cave on Disc 3 with Tifa as leader.... Game soft locks.

There's no phone call; most of it unlocks on Disc 3 now without the crater as a requirement. Notable exception is the party leader swap thing.

Cid's sidequest got canned, and Tifa's is back to the default of playing the piano for Final Heaven and getting Premium Heart from the automated weapon shop in Wall Market (though I made the Cloud, Tifa, Cid scene for it play automatically and modified it slightly). Aeris' one is also gone and was tied into Cloud's instead as an appended scene. The pre-existing sidequests for Lv.4 Limits that came over from 1.5 were modified and revamped, with the exception of Barret though he has a small scene in Kalm's Weapon Shop for Catastrophe.

 

[Doll]

the no gil on hard mode is useful as an indicator as to whether or not hard mode is actually on, at least!!

Just got to costa del sol, lot of fun so far. Looking at the balancing readme, if I'm reading things correctly, it feels hard to justify certain 'builds' if you want to play optimally or w/e. 50 points of vit/spr being equivalent to a respective 10% damage feels pretty underwhelming when dex does so many things (including evasion, so it kind of fills vit's role as well by increasing your ability to survive physical attacks) in addition to 50 points being equivalent to a haste buff. Maybe there's a lot of secret math going on and I'll regret this when late game enemies are pummeling me.

 

[Sega Chief]

the no gil on hard mode is useful as an indicator as to whether or not hard mode is actually on, at least!!

Just got to costa del sol, lot of fun so far. Looking at the balancing readme, if I'm reading things correctly, it feels hard to justify certain 'builds' if you want to play optimally or w/e. 50 points of vit/spr being equivalent to a respective 10% damage feels pretty underwhelming when dex does so many things (including evasion, so it kind of fills vit's role as well by increasing your ability to survive physical attacks) in addition to 50 points being equivalent to a haste buff. Maybe there's a lot of secret math going on and I'll regret this when late game enemies are pummeling me.

It's consistency, really; evasion is great as it's 100% mitigation when it works, but is 0% when it doesn't; so if the check doesn't work out in your favour it can leave you taking a lot of damage. A build focusing on defence will take damage more often but the damage is more likely to be manageable. Then on the other side of it, a high dex build can react to incoming damage more quickly because the turns come about quicker.

Some other things:

Cover negates evasion, so if you had a character looking to soak up damage for others then evasion won't do them much good. Defence or Luck would be the better stats for it, as the latter is the only way to dodge physical attacks while Covering.

For counter-attacks, they won't proc at all if the attack misses so characters can lose a bit of damage this way if they have high evasion. A high-defence character would be able to soak those hits without much trouble and then deal damage in return at a more regular rate. The dex side of this is that with a higher Dex you're more accurate, so commands like Deathblow are more viable and you can get damage in that way using it with added cut + the higher turn rate.

So I think one thing you could do with defence is set up a character with Cover, counter-attacks, and an innate that works into that like Cloud's or Barret's, then build up their defence so they can soak hits up for the party, make things a bit more stable, and convert that into outgoing damage. I also think that Magic Defence is worth investing in because, unlike physical evasion and Luck, Magic Evasion doesn't get any help from other stats; just the armour. So having a bit more in Magic Defence can be handy.

 

[Doll]

yeah I normally value being able to 'plan' and not rely on dodging, it's just all the extra turns that seem to tip things in favor of dex with the current amount of source points you get from upgrades being what they are. Even with Barret, who is mainly who I was thinking about making a tanky tanky since a lot of things point you in that direction, doesn't seem like it would outweigh all those extra opportunities to do damage/heal/use grenade on self... I imagine animation bottlenecks would make the dex less attractive on active time mode, though. Might still make him a cover/counterattack bot. It does feel like his destiny.

 

[chimaerath]

Spoiler

Is Lucrecia supposed to be weak to Gravity? The fight was much much easier than expected once I realized that a floating monster could be hit with Demi3, even if it was reduced damage.

If you take the elevator in Junon up to HQ (where Barret and Tifa were to be executed), one of the maps doesn't show Cloud's walking/running annimation, and only has him sliding a stationary model as he moves. In the menu, the map is "Junon HQ, 2F". It is the map with the Save Point, between the window area (with all the computers, where Rufus ordered the cannon to fire) and the U-turn stairs area.

(Random sidenote: In my multiple playthroughs of this game, this is the first time I realized you can backtrack to that area......)

 

[Sega Chief]

Spoiler

Is Lucrecia supposed to be weak to Gravity? The fight was much much easier than expected once I realized that a floating monster could be hit with Demi3, even if it was reduced damage.

If you take the elevator in Junon up to HQ (where Barret and Tifa were to be executed), one of the maps doesn't show Cloud's walking/running annimation, and only has him sliding a stationary model as he moves. In the menu, the map is "Junon HQ, 2F". It is the map with the Save Point, between the window area (with all the computers, where Rufus ordered the cannon to fire) and the U-turn stairs area.

(Random sidenote: In my multiple playthroughs of this game, this is the first time I realized you can backtrack to that area......)

Yeah, I set it up for that though there's half-resistance set on there as well. I was thinking of getting rid of half-resistance against gravity on enemies and instead tweaking the %-value on the spells themselves, as it's not great to have 25% advertised on the spell but then in-battle have it dealing 12% due to resistance.

 

[Aquarii]

Type B:

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So i am fighting the X-ATM Scorpion which is standing in front of the Underwater Reactor in CD2. After it summons those little robots, i´m lost. I do not stand a chance against them. They are killing me in around 2 rounds xD What is the trick here? My Group is between Level 30 and 34

 

[Sega Chief]

Type B:

Spoiler

So i am fighting the X-ATM Scorpion which is standing in front of the Underwater Reactor in CD2. After it summons those little robots, i´m lost. I do not stand a chance against them. They are killing me in around 2 rounds xD What is the trick here? My Group is between Level 30 and 34

Bolt protection is your best bet in this fight as both X-ATM and the opts have a bolt-based attack; after that, fire protection can also be a nice bonus for the main boss' W-Flare. If the gun/Laser attacks are causing issues, then a Protect Vest can be handy to reduce Shoot element damage.

When the X-ATM's tail goes up, you'll want to hold off on attacks and bolster the party  in preparation for the opts coming out and also to avoid counter-attacks from Tail Laser Mk.2. MBarrier should be a priority as you'll be getting hit with W-Shock when the tail comes down and the opts have two magic-based attacks, one of which hits the whole party.

The Opts can be hit with Insta-KO, Slow, Stop, Mini, and Paralysis. Stop+All has a decent chance of disabling some of them for a while, as does the Alexander summon. Mini may not be as useful as two of their attacks are magic-based but is worth considering if you have a spare two slots for Transform+All. Insta-KO can either be attempted using Odin or by having characters with Destruct/Odin + Added Effect in their weapon (or a weapon that has it innately, like Tifa's Kaiser Knuckle) with a roughly 20% chance of inflicting it per physical hit. If a character with Cover + Counter Attack had that on, or if a character is using Slash-All or has a weapon that targets all, then they'd be able to pick some of them off faster. The Remove spell can also do it 100%, but it's tough to unlock by this point. Kiss of Death items can also be used for a chance of inflicting insta-KO.

The main boss can be Paralysed for some relief (Cross Slash or Dazers), but can also be Silenced + Blinded. Ink or Ramuh can inflict Blind, and Silence can come from either the Silence spell, Leviathan, or an item. If that's done prior to the opts coming out then you'll have some more breathing space as he'll be missing you more often.

 

[novadose212]

Hi, I have the latest version of new threat, and I spent about an hour doing the boss fight in the purple materia cave all to come out with nothing after it?

Is this normal

 

[chimaerath]

Spoiler

Curator Armor's arms are supposed to grab you each, right? As in, Cait Sith was grabbed by Right Arm, released once Right Arm died, then Barret was grabbed by Left Arm, and released once Left Arm died. A much earlier post made it sound like only Right Arm could grab a character; was that later patched?

Also, the reward for Curator Armor made me laugh. I hate it, but it's funny.