FFX Questions, related with Fayth and Tidus

[Kudistos Megistos]

Final Fantasy VII takes too much attention from 3 better games in my opinion...no one elses opinion. I don't get what is so special about the story of Final Fantasy VII.

FF7 takes attention away from other games? So, do you resent it for that? This is another thing I see a lot. People complain about FF7 and end up revealing that they actually don't like it because they're jealous; it's nothing to do with the game at all. FF7 haters are like middle aged ex-wives that hate their former husband's new, younger, prettier, blonder girlfriend :-D

Of course, this resentment of FF7 makes people desperate to find faults with it. People spend a lot of time looking for things in FF7 that they can criticise and therefore pick up on minor things that they wouldn't notice if they were in another game. Every FF game has its flaws, but 7's are much better known because so many people have an interest in ripping it apart and showing that their game deserves the attention. No-one has that much interest in looking for the things that are wrong with the other FF games, even 8 (one of the other games that attracts the wrong kind of attention). It reminds me of how the smallest blemish on a famous Hollywood actress' face or the tiniest bit of cellulite on her thighs will get huge amounts of attention and be splashed all over the tabloids. If they were normal people, no-one would even notice these imperfections, but because people want to bring them down, they pick on everything they can.

BTW, if these opinions are actually your own, it's an astonishing co-incidence that you think exactly the same thing as so many other people. Is it that great minds think alike, or that fools never differ? :-D

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

I'm now even more convinced that you don't understand the game. "gothic, depressing atmosphere"? WTF? :?

And I suppose that if it had a brighter, happier atmosphere, you'd say that it was too cartoony and appealed to little children :-D

It sounds a lot like you're trying to show everyone (and prove to yourself) that you're mature by distancing yourself from things that you think appeal to teenagers. You see, young people are age-aspirational; they want to be a few years older than they are (if you're going to use bulverisms, I will as well ). Therefore, they make themselves hate anything that is for "kids" or for "teenagers" (such as cartoons), because they are mature, and mature people don't like those things (apparently).

Also, I repeat my FF8 argument. FF8 is a lot more gothic than FF7. FF8's main character is pure emo; if he were a girl, he'd probably cut himself. The love story is much more important to the game as well. If the teenage emo demographic is so big and powerful, FF8 would be the most popular game by far. But it isn't.

And finally, FF7 has the oldest main character of any FF, AFAIK. He's certainly older than most of them. Most of the FF7 characters are in their 20s. Most of the FF8 characters are in their teens. FF9's main character looks like he's 10. Tidus and Yuna are in their teens. Vaan, Ashe and Penelo are in their teens. I'm not sure about the older games, but I'm willing to bet that Terra and Locke are both very young as well. The characters from FF3 certainly are. But FF7 is popular because it's aimed at teenagers? Yeah, I'm not very sure about that...

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Don't try the psychological game on me, it won't work.

I'll stop when you stop.

What I said was that the atmosphere in FF7 is gothic.

Really? Let's see...

Just look at the slums in midgard

Not what I'd call gothic. More like dystopian.

or the jenova creature without a head. Or the mountains outside clouds hometown.

Pretty standard fantasy stuff. Not necessarily gothic.

And the use of colours in the backgrounds. Green, gray gray gray, black...maybe some purple. Neon lights...very dark, and the music is very depressing as well. The only exception would be gold saucer and chocobo farm.

Never been to the Wall Market? :-D

It seems that you're looking for anything that supports your argument and ignoring anything that doesn't. Let's see what the Costa del Sol looks like... :-D

Surfing and suntan, eh? Goths love things like that!

Actually, hardly any of the towns on the second continent have dark colouring. Nor the places on the Northern continent. Nor Wutai. In fact, the only really dark places are Midgar and the Shinra Mansion, and the former is dark in a dystopian/cyber punk way rather than a gothic way.

Also look at Sephiroth...

Yeah, I can see why his look might appeal to goths. But wait a minute, weren't you saying FF7 appealed to emos? Goth and emo aren't the same thing

Final Fantasy 8, 9, 10 has nothing like that in them. That is why they aren't as popular...because the main audience are emo/manga japanese obessed teens...they love FF7, because they can relate to the time the cool characters and the mood in the game. It's harder for a emo to relate to Final Fantasy IX and X because the main characters and the atmorsphere isn't as dark as Final Fantasy VII.

So, this has gone from being emo to being dark, hmmmm? It seems that you are flip-flopping around quite a lot :wink:

Two things:

#1 Since when did Japanese audiences and Weeaboos go in for dark things more than Western audiences? Japanese media aimed at teenagers tends to be much more bright and colourful than Western media aimed at teenagers. There's this anime that I like. I think you should watch it. It's called "Lucky Star". :-D

#2 The FF8 argument again. Everything connected with the Sorceresses is gothic. Look at Edea. Is there anyone more goth than her? Look at Ultimicia's castle. It's the most gothic place in FF by quite some way. And as long as we're picking examples of things that are convenient and ignoring evidence to the contrary, I'd say that there are quite a few things in FF9 that appeal to those who like everything "dark". Pandemonium? Half of Memoria? Evil mist? Black Waltzes flying around everywhere? Two villains that wear black, one of whom is always going on about the transience of life and feeling sorry for himself? Kuja is one hell of an emo! He cuts himself whilst listening to Linkin Park! See what I did there? I cherry picked parts of those games that made them look like goths might like them.

Also the only thing that is emo in Final Fantasy 8 is Squall, and that is the only thing.

Yeah, only the main character. The one you're following around all the time. And whose thoughts you always hear. He isn't important at all! :lol:

Lol, Kudistos..give up you can't win this... :lol: :lol:

ROFLCOCKS!

Final Fantasy VII is the most popular ff game because of the main audience are manga/japanes obessed emos...

I'm beginning to suspect that I'm being trolled...

 

[drfeelgud88]

I wonder what Jari's perspective is on this.  :-o

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

I wonder what Jari's perspective is on this.  :-o

Dunno, but I'm sure he's seen it.

What's your perspective?

 

[drfeelgud88]

I wonder what Jari's perspective is on this.  :-o

Dunno, but I'm sure he's seen it.

What's your perspective?

Haven't read it entirely. Too lazy, lol. That is why I haven't posted my opinions in this.

 

[DarkestDream]

interesting views on this. I did had a discussion with my friends like in 2002 (that time im in high school). few of them said they like VII because of good group, great storyline. come to think of it. two of them is goth.... well now it make sense why they like it 

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

interesting views on this. I did had a discussion with my friends like in 2002 (that time im in high school). few of them said they like VII because of good group, great storyline. come to think of it. two of them is goth.... well now it make sense why they like it  

DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!111  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

But they liked FF7 because of the group and storyline, and not because "Sephiroth looks so kewl!!!"

I think that some people vastly overestimate the proportion of FF7 fanboys who are Sephiroth fanboys.

For the record, I liked FF7 before I became a goth, when I was a goth and after I stopped being a goth and turned into that weird bloke who likes brightly coloured bishoujo* filled anime. :-D

*Inb4 someone confuses bishoujo with bishounen

 

[DarkestDream]

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*Inb4 someone confuses bishoujo with bishounen

you mean Bishōjo?    :-D :-D :-D

 

[obesebear]

If you think FFVII is emo, you are clearly 18 or younger and have a very sore grasp of what 'emo' is.  It could also be that you've only seen the spinoffs of FFVII where the cast (specifically Cloud) has been made to be emotional and depressed.

Honestly, Kudistos, I'm pretty sure you aren't being trolled.  But it's impossible to win an argument against the ignorant  :-o  yeah I said it 

 

[titeguy3]

Also look at Sephiroth...

Hermoor, if you even remotely came close to being in the ballpark of having an idea of what exactly you're talking about, you wouldn't have used a screenie from ADVENT CHILDREN

Leave your swiss cheese arguments to your high school clique buddies, youngen. :wink:

 

[titeguy3]

It's hard to see things that don't work in your favor.

That's a quality of a humble person.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

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*Inb4 someone confuses bishoujo with bishounen

you mean Bishōjo?    :-D :-D :-D

Bah, "ou" is the more common Romanisation! At least as far as I have seen :-D

ō, however, is more accurate, since "ou" might lead one to think that it's pronounced like the "ou" in "douche"

Honestly, Kudistos, I'm pretty sure you aren't being trolled.  But it's impossible to win an argument against the ignorant  :-o  yeah I said it 

I think you're wrong

He actually accused me of shooping those pics :lol:

Hey, Hermoor, if you don't believe me, why don't you play those parts of the game?

Really, if you're not trolling then you're making yourself look like an idiot. You're throwing wild accusations around that only prove you don't know much about the game, your arguments suffer from an unbelievable confirmation bias, you're completely missing the point when I show you that when using your tactics, any FF game can be called goth and you're showing yourself to be completely ignorant of teen culture (or at least teen culture in Anglo-Saxon countries; maybe things are different where you live, but I doubt that Sweden accounts for more than about 1% of FF7 related sales). I feel like I'm arguing with a creationist who, when I show him a dinosaur fossil, says that the devil made it.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Me being a atheist has nothing to do with this.

What? When did I call you an atheist? I called you the opposite :lol:

If your reading comprehension is that bad, it explains a lot. I recommend you learn English; apart from enabling you to talk to someone without repeatedly failing to understand what he is saying, learning English will allow you to understand the game (something you obviously couldn't do when you played it :-D)

You want me to play what parts?

The bits whose backgrounds you accused me of shooping

I'm going to prove it to you. That is why youtube was created...

You're not going to prove it, you're going to do what you've been doing for this whole argument; pick bits that support your ideas and ignore bits that don't. BTW, do you expect me to sit down and watch those videos? I don't think so. I've played the game as well. I played it long before you did and I've probably played it many more times. I've also had the soundtrack for a long time as well, and I listen to it all the time. I know what the game's atmosphere is like.

Oh, and the fact that you took the time to find all of those videos just so that you can argue with me says a lot about you.

now let's compare to FFIX that you say is goth...lol too funny.

I didn't call FF9 goth. I said that if I cherry picked bits of the game that supported the idea that it's dark/goth/emo/whatever you think FF7 is* and ignored bits that didn't, as you did with FF7, I could pretend it was dark/goth/emo/whatever you think FF7 is. I was just doing what you were doing. Did I fail to convince you? Good, because you failed to convince me :-D

*You keep on changing. One minute it's "goth" the next it's "emo" the next it's just "dark"; how I am supposed to take you seriously?

I hopre this proves once and for all that comparing to the other games VII is dark, and therefore more popular among self destructive teens and emos. You think there is a reason why teens prefer hard rock and punk rap and crap over classical music?

Some teens prefer hard rock. Some teens prefer punk rap (whatever that is). But not the same ones. This is yet another example of you not knowing which teenage demographic you're talking about.

Normally, I'd get bored and give up (because you're obviously not listening) but I'm actually going to keep responding to you for a while.

This isn't because I think I can make you understand why your arguments are wrong; it's because it's fun to see you dig yourself into a deeper and deeper hole by coming out with stupider and stupider comments. Each post you make smells even more strongly of desperation than the last; you should see how hilarious they are to people watching. Like I said before, you're like a creationist who is unable to support his ideas with good arguments and comes out with absurd ones rather than admit to himself that he's wrong. To the rest of us, it's very funny to watch. :lol:

 

[titeguy3]

Hey guys, it's cool to flame FF, or poke holes in someone's logic, but try not to make personal attacks. I feel like this convo *might* be headed in that direction, and that's never fun.

 

[Jari]

...and that's never fun.

I find your sense of humor to be lacking.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Hey guys, it's cool to flame FF, or poke holes in someone's logic, but try not to make personal attacks. I feel like this convo *might* be headed in that direction, and that's never fun.

But these arguments are so addictive

I never thought I'd get involved in this kind of thing, but there you go

 

[Costa07]

Hmm current Score

Kudistos: 3

Hermoor:2 

 

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Hmm current Score

Kudistos: 3

Hermoor:2 

 

What, how did he get 2? For making me fall for his trolling and bringing me down to that level? :-D

 

[Costa07]

Hmm current Score

Kudistos: 3

Hermoor:2 

 

What, how did he get 2? For making me fall for his trolling and bringing me down to that level? :-D

Lol DarkestDream took his side so that made to but for the record you got my vote Kudistos

New Score

Kudistos: 4
Harmoor:2

 

What are the scores now?...now I think a lot of the people reading this probably are former goth or emos...maybe we should find a smarter older judge...

You do have some good points its just in my opinion that i like ff7 because the story is good and i like the materia system how you can get master materia and have all spells and all the characters are kinda cool and some really energetic like yuffie lol