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Kudistos Megistos
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What about Rowdy Roddy Piper? :-D
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Tekkie.X
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Well, he wasn't Scottish at all.
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Kudistos Megistos
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I think that's obvious to anyone who listens to him :-D
Wait, they think he was meant to sound Irish? :-o
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seifertemp
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I am asking my japanese buddies their opinion on it and will get back to you 
he speaks with kansai dialect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai_dialect
in jap version.... but the myth Cat Sith is known as irish/scottish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Sith
When I get to translating Cait I may use Irish dialect as the alternatative. We will see
he speaks with kansai dialect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai_dialect
in jap version.... but the myth Cat Sith is known as irish/scottish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Sith
When I get to translating Cait I may use Irish dialect as the alternatative. We will see
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Kudistos Megistos
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Seeing as he seems to be more prominent in Scottish mythology than Irish (at least according to that article) and it's said to haunt the Highlands, I think it would be best for him to have a Scottish dialect instead of an Irish one.
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seifertemp
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:lol: possibly but we had one of those on final fantasy 9
But yeah
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But yeah
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Prince Lex
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Supreme arse-vomit.
This is what annoys me. It's obviously some moron thats written that up. His accent is DEFINITELY NOT Irish, nor is it supposed to be Irish.
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Kudistos Megistos
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I thought that as well. I'm constantly surprised at how many people can't tell the difference between Irish and Scottish accents. Well, Northern Irish accents can be easily mistaken for one of those two, but if you're a native speaker of English you have to be pretty ignorant to get southern Irish accents mixed up with Scottish ones. It's only slightly less moronic than not being able to tell the difference between English and Australian accents (apparently some people can't).
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http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php?title=Cait_Sith
I do need to know if this is scottish mythology only, because I cannot find any sources to say it is purely scottish. Accent wise, kansai is just another dialect is it not? And any other dialect would be good enough for Cait in FF7, all it has to do is to show a difference between reeve and cait, though come to think of it, seeing him speak like an irish person etc might look weird.
Will have to mull it over. He definately needs a new dialect in the game though
I do need to know if this is scottish mythology only, because I cannot find any sources to say it is purely scottish. Accent wise, kansai is just another dialect is it not? And any other dialect would be good enough for Cait in FF7, all it has to do is to show a difference between reeve and cait, though come to think of it, seeing him speak like an irish person etc might look weird.
Will have to mull it over. He definately needs a new dialect in the game though
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All the sources I've read say it's a Scottish/Irish myth - but the creature is said to come from the Highlands. The Highlands are in Scotland, so the creature would have a Scottish accent. It doesn't matter where the myth originates from - the creature in the myth still comes from the Scottish highlands.
Therefore, I wouldn't give him an Irish accent. If you must, give him a Scottish one, but please have a Scottish person look over it before it's completed so it isn't badly done.
Of course, you could just give him a made up accent. The Condie Petie mountain folk in FF9 are supposed to be Scottish and their accents aren't done too badly (written-wise) for some northern parts of Scotland.
Another thing to note is that this may be being referred to as "Scottish/Irish" mythology because of the confusion in the difference between the Scottish and Irish. It's humungous, but on the outside it wouldn't look like that if I'm being fair. I can tell the difference between someone from New Zealand and someone from Australia, and the difference between someone from the USA and someone From Canada, but some people might have trouble with that. I made the effort to learn so that I wouldn't offend anyone. From personal experience, one of the most annoying things is when people abroad (and usually only outside of Europe) say "Oh!, You're English!". They never say British. Or Scottish. Both of which are correct - English isn't. Say you live in the US and you're from California. It's like someone saying to you, "Oh! You're from Texas!" You'd be like... errr... no I'm not. The United Kingdom is actually "Great Britain" and "Northern Ireland" Great Britain being Scotland, England and Wales. They're kind of like states, except not. They used to be countries in their own right, until England... well, no need for a history lesson when you have Wikipedia.
English and Australian accents... I can't imagine getting those mixed up. However, I've always thought of the Australian accent as being a kind of strange mix of English and American. It sounds halfway between the two in my head. Again, I would say the New Zealand accent is slightly harsher.
Therefore, I wouldn't give him an Irish accent. If you must, give him a Scottish one, but please have a Scottish person look over it before it's completed so it isn't badly done.
Of course, you could just give him a made up accent. The Condie Petie mountain folk in FF9 are supposed to be Scottish and their accents aren't done too badly (written-wise) for some northern parts of Scotland.
Another thing to note is that this may be being referred to as "Scottish/Irish" mythology because of the confusion in the difference between the Scottish and Irish. It's humungous, but on the outside it wouldn't look like that if I'm being fair. I can tell the difference between someone from New Zealand and someone from Australia, and the difference between someone from the USA and someone From Canada, but some people might have trouble with that. I made the effort to learn so that I wouldn't offend anyone. From personal experience, one of the most annoying things is when people abroad (and usually only outside of Europe) say "Oh!, You're English!". They never say British. Or Scottish. Both of which are correct - English isn't. Say you live in the US and you're from California. It's like someone saying to you, "Oh! You're from Texas!" You'd be like... errr... no I'm not. The United Kingdom is actually "Great Britain" and "Northern Ireland" Great Britain being Scotland, England and Wales. They're kind of like states, except not. They used to be countries in their own right, until England... well, no need for a history lesson when you have Wikipedia.
Northern Irish accents sometimes get mixed up with ours because they're harsher than proper Irish accents. (For those that don't know (most likely only those not in Europe) Ireland is about 80% of the land it's on, Northern Ireland is the rest of it to the north. Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland is.) The southern Irish accents and much softer. Frankly, both are very sexual, so I'm not complaining.
English and Australian accents... I can't imagine getting those mixed up. However, I've always thought of the Australian accent as being a kind of strange mix of English and American. It sounds halfway between the two in my head. Again, I would say the New Zealand accent is slightly harsher.
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I agree 
Although I wouldnt want to touch dialects and would of course need someone else to modify the literal translation.
Thats a while away anyway.
Although I wouldnt want to touch dialects and would of course need someone else to modify the literal translation.Thats a while away anyway.
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titeguy3
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I'm happy I've only ever watched the Japanese version of AC.
日本語万æ³ï¼ :-D
日本語万æ³ï¼ :-D
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Prince Lex
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I can't watch the English dub. I always watch it with English subs.
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titeguy3
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Old post but I just read it and REALLY have to comment on it.
Second off.. I was thinking about this the other day.... the slums are a place where there's no sunlight, only artificial light due to the fact that theres a giant metal plate intermingling with a haze of smoke blocking away the outside world. Imagine living there. Can you? It's strange, foreign, and really makes you feel helpless and melancholy. I'd like a remake of FF7 to make you feel those things. Really immerse you in the world of FFVII. That's not something the original game could do due to technological limitations. Hell, it's not something we could do either without making a new game ourselves from scratch (which would make Halkun and the omniscient Square-Enix lawyers very upset), but a remake of FF7 with modern graphics/modern technology could really make you feel what it's like to be there.
Of course, it IS wishful thinking, but it calms the soul to discuss.
First off Kudistos, I nominate you for an "Awesomest Post Ever" award.>Square
>Afraid of disappointing any fans
Well, it's pretty good that you don't care what they do with this remake everyone is absolutely certain they're going to make, because everything Square have done since they became $quare €nix (especially with the Compilation of FF7) suggests that most of the changes won't be for the better in the eyes of most fans. Reactions to Square's more recent games have generally been negative.
In the unlikely event (they're a business, after all, and they care about the bottom line more than anything else) that the top brass actually are worried about fans instead of wanting to cash in on the FF7 name, that's a very good thing. Perhaps they're questioning their belief (and, to be fair, a lot of companies do this with their biggest franchises when they're low on ideas) that they can defecate in a disc case, stick a FF7 logo on it and expect it to sell millions. I'd much rather see no remake than a bad one. It'll save me money, as well as my memories of the game (since I'm the kind of idiot that still buys FF shovelware just because it's Final Fantasy - just the kind of person they rely on, in fact).
Anyway, why do we need a remake? Srsly, the only things that FF7 needs are a graphical update, some translation and bug fixes and a difficulty tweak, and we've done or are doing all of that. What the people who really want a remake should actually do is think about whether FF7 really needs one.
Second off.. I was thinking about this the other day.... the slums are a place where there's no sunlight, only artificial light due to the fact that theres a giant metal plate intermingling with a haze of smoke blocking away the outside world. Imagine living there. Can you? It's strange, foreign, and really makes you feel helpless and melancholy. I'd like a remake of FF7 to make you feel those things. Really immerse you in the world of FFVII. That's not something the original game could do due to technological limitations. Hell, it's not something we could do either without making a new game ourselves from scratch (which would make Halkun and the omniscient Square-Enix lawyers very upset), but a remake of FF7 with modern graphics/modern technology could really make you feel what it's like to be there.
Of course, it IS wishful thinking, but it calms the soul to discuss.
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Kudistos Megistos
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I think that Square did an admirable job of capturing the atmosphere of Midgar in the original, given the tools they had; the wonderful soundtrack more than makes up for the poor graphics most of the time. Then again, how brilliant would the game be if the songs were all fully orchestrated (with Uematsu composing, of course), and they were in addition to the graphics rather than compensating for them? :-D I'd be much happier if Square announced that the FF7 soundtrack was to be fully orchestrated by Nobuo Uematsu than if they announced a remake.
And I think it might be more a case of the lawyers seeing a chance to make more money for themselves or to justify their jobs by making silly claims (I'm not sure how they're paid), than a case of them getting upset :roll:
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me neither....its just so damn poor. Esp sephiroth and I agree on VII remake mostly. The things I would like to see are:
Updated graphics
Same story, NO modifications to core story
Translation fix
Things they did not add, sorting out, such as 1:35 soldier collectables which were abandoned really...
More minigames and squares at gold saucer (there is room there in that main hall)
Choice of music, including orchestral pieces and pieces from Black mages
Unfortunately, what we would end up getting is a bloated graphic fest where we have sephiroth and cloud engaged in 20 minute matrix battles where you sit there wondering where it all went wrong (like I did with Twin Snakes remake of MGS1).
If they don't intend to remake it BETTER by making sure they don't ruin it by changing things that aren't broken, they should not remake it at all....
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Agreed fully. Though I found Crisis Core to be a great game, Dirge of Cerberus was terrible as a story. I wouldn't mind them touching up the original's story to ..slightly.. barely.. almost unnoticeably.. include Genesis.
But as you said, it would most likely be a "bloated graphic fest" like every other game to come out this generation
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Kudistos Megistos
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
Unless they include Genesis to have him dying in a fire, they should pretend he never existed; the FF7 universe would be better off without him. In fact, for this reason I think that CC would have been better if it had been a stand-alone game without any references to FF7. It's a great game, I agree, and one of the few things that Squeenix have done right, but it messes up the FF7 storyline.
I've always felt that Genesis and Hollander demean Sephiroth and Hojo somewhat; the original villains suddenly become a lot less special now that we see that there's another apocalypse-causing villain and another mad scientist of similar skill. And this is before we talk about Genesis going around in the reactor and completely undermining Sephiroth; suddenly, Sephiroth seems like nothing more than a pawn in Genesis' great plan, and Genesis becomes the real bad guy of the FF7 series.
Personally, I think that the game would have been a lot better off if Genesis had been killed for good in Modeoheim and had no further part in the story; that way there would be no real deviance from the main FF7 story and it would also have shown that Sephiroth was a step up. It would be as if the game were saying "OK, you've dealt with Genesis; now it's time for the real crisis". Not only that, but it would fit in well with the FF tradition of having a small-time bad guy early on in the game who gets replaced by someone much more dangerous later on (like Gestahl and Kefka, Shinra and Sephiroth, Edea/Galbadia and Ultimecia or Brahne and Kuja).
But yeah, it will be a bloated graphics fest full of androgynous men (the girlishness of Cloud and Sephiroth in the compilation has given the oldskool FF fanboys no end of trolling material).
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A graphics update would be amazing. But yeah, If they "Dirge of Cerberus"d it with cutscenes for walking down a hallway (or cutscene, walk down a hallway, cutscene...) i wouldn't be to happy. though with the progress we're making we might not need one haha
With Seifer getting a good translation and dialog fixes.
Timu, Hoomer, and APZ with models
APZ and Millenia with textures.
FF7Music (although needs a good rewrite/replacement)
All the people who made the tools (sorry gents don't know all of ya haha)
and last (but certainly not least) Aali with his Graphics Driver, new LGP tools, and Palmer.
Who needs a remake at this point? All we need is something to work on camera controls, and make the backgrounds 3D (i drool at the thought) and we'd be good as gold!
EDIT: Oh i forgot! Also someone to painstakingly remake every cutscene. though i think i am dreaming there haha
With Seifer getting a good translation and dialog fixes.
Timu, Hoomer, and APZ with models
APZ and Millenia with textures.
FF7Music (although needs a good rewrite/replacement)
All the people who made the tools (sorry gents don't know all of ya haha)
and last (but certainly not least) Aali with his Graphics Driver, new LGP tools, and Palmer.
Who needs a remake at this point? All we need is something to work on camera controls, and make the backgrounds 3D (i drool at the thought) and we'd be good as gold!
EDIT: Oh i forgot! Also someone to painstakingly remake every cutscene. though i think i am dreaming there haha
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