Final Fantasy X Is Being Remade For PlayStation 3 And Vita

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XII and XIII both suffer with the same problem.  Lazy design and lazy story and lazy gameplay dynamics.  I know lots of people like XII and XIII but I am afraid they both suffer with glaring faults.

I don't like a game playing without even needing an operator.  I prefer some form of intelligent input, a creative spark.  12 and 13 are anything but.  There wasn't a story in XII really, and XIII's is a joke.  Couple it all together and you have someone who has left FF behind.
 
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I don't like a game playing without even needing an operator.  I prefer some form of intelligent input, a creative spark.  12 and 13 are anything but.  There wasn't a story in XII really, and XIII's is a joke.  Couple it all together and you have someone who has left FF behind.
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Either you never really played ff12 or you are being obtuse on purpose. Every character in your party can be controlled with you choosing everything that they do, the gambits were an option, you did not have to use them. You get as much control of the characters as you did in any of the preceding final fantasies.
 
The gambits are not an option.  They are a technical option in that if you choose not to use them your life in XII is made miserable.  It is bad game design to make a tacky useless and easy system the most beneficial. Telling me I can use an inferior system (my own inputs) is like telling me I have the ability to use manual in a jet airliner for the whole journey.

There are numerous examples of XII and its retarded system, from Summons taking your MP to 0, to them being automatically controlled as you run about,  Utterly worthless.  Hardly any real minigames, all again relegated to battles which offer nothing but crap prizes.  Random treasure that is worthless, not being able to get the most powerful weapons without being glued to a guide, the thin story and non existent character development (don't bother telling me there was any, it was so weak I could have written it on a stamp), nothing to really break up monotony.. all you did was run around huge areas and finish off 1000 monsters with the dumbest system imaginable.

It was a game aimed at the low intellect.  It made money because graphics are all that matter these days and because it was called Final Fantasy.  Compared to FF7-10 it was a massive dumbing down, and the reason they thought it was great removing 2 playable characters in XIII is because people like yourself salivated over XII.

I am tired of watching this series sink further into brain dead because people continually accept these mindless releases.
 
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I didn't really enjoy FFXII all that much, but I actually found the gambit system to be quite intuitive. It required strategy and a great deal of thought to plan properly for certain fights, and the option to do it manually was also great. The only real problem I had was with the fact that the characters didn't really end up with specific roles (although they may have started there). So really you ended up with 6 heavy sword weilders absolutely smashing their way through the game. I tried not to play it that way, but it seemed a bit pointless.

Also, it was a far more open game than X, but I still preferred X.
 
the internation version of FFXII was pretty cool when compared with the standard one.. especialy duo to the job system.. u guys should google the differences, its pretty neat
 
I didn't really enjoy FFXII all that much, but I actually found the gambit system to be quite intuitive. It required strategy and a great deal of thought to plan properly for certain fights, and the option to do it manually was also great. The only real problem I had was with the fact that the characters didn't really end up with specific roles (although they may have started there). So really you ended up with 6 heavy sword weilders absolutely smashing their way through the game. I tried not to play it that way, but it seemed a bit pointless.
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You should try the International Zodiac Job System version.
 
It was a game aimed at the low intellect.  It made money because graphics are all that matter these days and because it was called Final Fantasy.  Compared to FF7-10 it was a massive dumbing down, and the reason they thought it was great removing 2 playable characters in XIII is because people like yourself salivated over XII.

I am tired of watching this series sink further into brain dead because people continually accept these mindless releases.
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look I think we are going to continually disagree on the merits or lack thereof of ff12 so I will leave my personal feeling on that game aside. I will say though, you mention that "Compared to FF7-10 it [12] was a massive dumbing down" first, these four games play very differently as every final fantasy should at least to an extent. If you consider 12 to be dumbed down from the previous releases then you could say that 9 was dumbed down from the previous release. ff8 had what some woud consider to be a complex system namely junctioning, whereas 9 was much easier to pickup and understand how to play and how you learn techniques.

Every final fantasy fan or rpg fan will disagree on what is the best game in that series or genre, many people dont like final fantasy 7,8,9 or 10 (the four games you seem to believe were a pinnacle of the series) in fact it is thought that 7 was "dumbed down" compared to ff6. I like 12 even though I agre it has its faults, but I also enjoy ff7-10 and the games before them which also had faults of thier own and I am sure I will find merit in the so called "mindless releases" that will come in the future as many other people will as well

p.s. please don't imply that I have a low intellect simply because I like a videogame that you don't
 
I could sit here and list all the issues with XII compared to VII-X, but you will just do what everyone does, come back with "I liked that".  XII is factually and observably dumbed down.  I cannot make that any more plain.  It would be like making a thesis on why 2+2 equals 4.  Pointless.

As I have repeated numerous times, what people like has nothing to do with it.
 
what people like has nothing to do with it. 
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This may be the stupidest I have ever seen someone write. the infamous movie "Plan 9 from outer space" is obviously flawed, you can look at it critically and say why it is a badly made film , but I enjoy watching it no matter what . Peoples opinions on a product is the most important thing, I hated ff13, I got it a week before its commercial release and sold it a week later, but if someone were to say thats it is their favourite game ever then that is fine because its their choice. You could list all the problems with ff12 and I could do the same with ff7-10 because they also have problems but it wouldnt matter because you would still enjoy playing those games. Stop being so self rightous it is only a videogame
 
Not at all, personally liking something has absolutely nothing to do with critical evaluation, and the fact you think it does proves I was right to terminate our conversation.

If you can't separate that fundamental point then there is no way you will ever think outside of the box.
 
Not at all, personally liking something has absolutely nothing to do with critical evaluation
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The problem is, you can't do critical evaluation on subjective matters.
 
I have done plenty of times, but the come back along with many is "But I liked not having minigames" " I didn't mind the new challenge of selecting gambits to do all the work for me" "I didn't mind the new political story, I don't like all that character development stuff" "I didn't like NPC" "I didn't like traditional towns"

The come backs ignore everything people say on the matter because one can't accept the games one likes are low quality and dumbed down and contrary to what the basics of RPG are.

Nothing you like or excuse is going to change the fact that XII had a bare bones story and an awful gameplay compared to VII-X, no excuses you can make can hide the flaws of XIII and its 2 AI characters auto mode and its gauntlet play through.  There are real flaws, numerous and game breakers in both these games, and that isn't an opinion.  It is a fact.

You are asking me to pretend that there is some sort of opinion based discussion going on but like many things that is an illusion.  Again, what you like is what you like.  It is possible to like something that is flawed and/or dumbed down. That is your own personal preference... but please don't try to argue like because of this, the flaws don't matter or don't exist.

They do.

We have long since established that some people just can't get around to let go of their goddamn fanboyism and use logic
Because that'd be behaving like actual sentient life.
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Maybe it just comes down to that.
 
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As for the topic at hand, at best this'll be upscaled for 720p/1080p and might have some updated UI elements being that it's the current trend, the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection due out in November is just upscaled with improved UI artwork and a few other tweaks for controls, as are the recent Splinter Cell and Resident Evil 4/Code Veronica "HD" releases.
 
I honestly think FFX is worse than XII. Some people say that Lost Odyssey was the "true" FF12. Some people honestly thinks FF7 is the worst game ever (try to google it).
There will always be diverged opinions on just about everything. I could go on and on arguing why 12 is better than 10, but it's not worth it. If we talk about content, FF11 is probably the best FF (no, no that was a joke).  ;D

Will I buy FF10 again? no.
 
The problem is, you can't do critical evaluation on subjective matters.
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Not? Really? Then what are art critics or movie critics or game critics doing? Lying out their asses? Have you recently won a dummy emmy?
 
i'm gonna speak once, and then not again because i don't feel like getting into an idiotic flame war.


it isn't that everyone else is a fanboy, the problem is you are, and can't understand that not everyone likes the same damn thing as you.

i personally loved FFXIII, go ahead, insult me, see if i care (hint: i don't), you can like an old school game, but when it gets to the point that the company isn't going in the direction you want, and you start calling out people that enjoy the games they're given out, it just makes you look sad.


go ahead, insult my opinion, just call me "another fanboy" i honestly don't care, all i ever see Kuugen doing is insulting peoples opinions on this when they conflict his own, a little less so for DLPB but i digress.
 
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