New Project: Final Fantasy VII 2D remake

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If we all put a little work into this project, everyone on this forum gives a little or bigger helping hand. Then we can create FINAL FANTASY VII 2D remake. I'm not sure if I am the only fan that wants a Final Fantasy VII 2D remake but if I am not then this would be great to remake it in 2d in my opinion. I'm not sure what 2d engine we should use though, RPG Maker 2000- And Rpg Maker 2003 always looked like a sloppy 2d engine. Btw, if I am wrong then lets just see, anyone else had this idea? Lets make it happen if we can.

And if anyone is afraid of getting sued be square-enix/squaresoft, then we will put a intro or addy or something that says don't sue us squaresoft we give you the credit of making these awesome characters etc btw, we just wanted to make a game for the fans and if you sue us then you'd get no money anyways because none of us are rich, so it's pointless. blah blah blah...
I personally don't think squaresoft and square-enix will give a shit, because why sue the fans? Were the people who put money in there damn pockets for christ sakes.  :lol:
 
Again, that wasn't a game, and they got into trouble with Square because they made themselves sound like (through really bad press releases) they were trying to make a commercial game, when in fact they were trying to generate publicity by releasing a multi-platform tech demo.

That's the short version. See my post in General for the long one.

Also, AFAIK, it's already been done with RPG Maker...several times. Hell, if I remember correctly, there's even a CALCULATOR version.

RPGMaker is horrible anyway...it doesn't scale!
 
How can squaresoft sue someone who doesn't have any money? Thats fucking stupid, and if squaresoft/squarenix wants to attack its fans they we should boycott there games and tell them to fuck off. Excuse my language
 
CT:R appeared as if they were trying to make a commercial game for-profit, a blatant copyright infringement.

They didn't get sued, they got a Cease and Desist order.
 
CT:R appeared as if they were trying to make a commercial game for-profit, a blatant copyright infringement.
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That's just the thing; last time I checked, the words "commercial", "game" or "for-profit" don't really enter into the picture when it comes to intellectual property, strictly legally speaking (of course, the choice of legal action is slightly different). The thing that matters is only that it's a new creative work using somebody else's ideas. Someone knowledgeable please clarify on this (and by knowledgeable I don't mean people who think they have a good idea of how things should be, rather someone more in touch with reality).
 
Hmm..

I had this whole rant going, but, mweh. I'll keep it short.  (looks at new rant.  So much for "short" =P)

Look at 8 bit theater.  Look at cover bands.  Look at fan fiction and fan art.  Look at pop art (Soup cans, anyone?).  Look at Mad magazine.  Hell, look at my damned website.  Borowing, re-using, satire, and imitation have been long protected by US law.  Now, there's exceptions, but basically, if someone were to do this (and this applies to the reactor reloaded project, as well), you could NOT do the following:

*Claim that you invented the intelectual proerty.

*profit from this little venture.

That's it.  The chronodemo guys were falsy accused of the second item, and i think someone at Squeenix made the mistake of thinking they were doing the first, as well.

Also, i should note that over at the adventchildren.net forums, there's someone whos been seriously pimping a 2d AC based game for months.  And ac.net is the one site Square keeps a bead on, if anything.  They've even had contact with ac.net on numerous occasions about their content.  But they havn't seemd to have a problem with the ac2d game.  Of course, it seems low quality, and if any mroe than 100 peopel dl it (for free, obviously), I'll be surprised.  So it's not a threat to square at all.

The Chrono demo project, (if it HAD been a ripoff-remake like Square thought) was a popular project with a big following, an square thought they were trying to make money.  So obviously that's a big fat NO!

I think it is also worth mentioning that nuklearpower.com (home of 8-bit theater, the most popular ff sprite comic out there) makes money from banner ads, yet Square has never even touched the webmaster of the site.  Why?  My guess is a) he's not directly ripping them off, only borrowing thier character designs and general ff story as homage and b) Square would have 10,000+ fans kicking at their front doors to leave Mr. Clevinger alone.  You dont wanna piss off THAT many fans.

On the reverse side is my ff7 site (I'm not spamming, honest).  I take screenshots from the game, and put them up with the game script, along with several of the games files (like midis and a few movies).  And, yes, i give square full credit for what they've done: created the game.  Now, i'm sure ff7-u is below Square's radar (I think i get like, 10 unique hits a day =P), but even if it wasn't, they still couldn't/wouldn't touch me because i am NOT making any money off the site (no ads, yay!), the text was typed out by me (I dont just copy fromt he game, about half the text is flavor text or description), and all the screenshots are edited.  So even though, in the final analysis, i'm putting Square's intelectual property out there for anyone to see for free, it's the fact that it's a totaly different media, i'm not claiming i made ff7, plus the no profit thing that basically means I'm safe, too.

So what I'm saying is, yes, you can do this.  However, Squeenix can dish out a S&D notice, as is their right to do.  Whether you choose to fight it or not would be your decision.  Mind you that they could bury you in paper work, you'd have to pay all sorts of legal fees...

But like i said, keep it free, make sure you're upfront about intellectual property ownership, and keep it discreet, and you won't have a problem.

[edit] appologies to qhimm: i realize this is a little less on the "Knowledgeable" side, but i think citing real life references kinda justifes the point of my post =)
 
Just a brief note that in the case of CT: Resurrection, they weren't just borrowing bits of content, they were using the whole package (just redone/remixed/redrawn), right down to music and logo. At least for the logo, that constitutes trademark infringement as well, which Square would have to go after or they risk losing the trademark. It wasn't "just" a simple misunderstanding, I'd say it was deliberate and probably even necessary, considering the scale of the project's publicity.
 
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Boycott SquareEnix, they are assholes. People aren't even selling there games, they are only fanmade games and they even give credit to squareenix for creating the characters,storyline... SquareEnix is filled with assholes, and I hope they all rot in greedy hell. YOU hear me SQUAREENIX? I would punch everysingle one of you scrawny bastards in the face if you came to my country or state. Bastards. SquareEnix is worse then the Riaa, atleast the Riaa is just fighting to make money... It's not like people who make fanbased games are stealing if they give credit where credit is do. But obviously are country called America enjoys fucked up laws.
 
sorry about that, it just gets me mad sometimes.  :evil:
 
Giving Square-Enix the right to control who can use their creations for own ends isn't what I call "fucked up laws". Would you personally want to see someone get famous by developing a game using all of your ideas, which you yourself originall created and sold, and not even have a say in it? Sure these guys weren't in it for profit, but a) they'd certainly get undue associative credit from Square's property by people associating CT with someone other than Square (trademark issues), and b) releasing such a thing would limit Square's own possibilities of doing the same. And since they're the owners, the should arguably have a say in it. I'm reasonably sure you'd agree if we were talking about your own works.
 
No I don't agree, Sorry. Greed is not a good thing. Sorry
 
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.htm

Copyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.
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CT:R was all done from scratch, and the "research" part would work for them on the Tech Demo issue, showing off a few remade scenes from the game.

Also Qhimm, the way you replied to my post, 8-Bit Theatre WOULD also be infringement (especially since it uses many of the original sprites), as would any comic such as Penny-Arcade, VGCats, Mac Hall...etc.
 
I almost *cried* tears of joy when I saw the trailer to their CT remake. And of course, it was difficult for me to prevent myself from throwing a temper tantrum when they were asked to discontinue the project. :z I'm sure they had already put so much work into it... I  looked truly beautiful.
 
Thats why you do projects like this secretly, and thn when its finished, post it at a million sites so Square will have a harder time tracking all of them, and by the time they do track them all down, there will be tons of torrents to download them from different people.  Then again, if it was secret it would be hard to get support from across the web.  BTW Although I used to like RPGMaker2000 its really a crappy engine. only two buttons: spacebar and esc. and unless you are like a magi, the battle system would be like earthbound's. It would be easier to buy or write your own to fit the needs.
 
No I don't agree, Sorry. Greed is not a good thing. Sorry
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So if you were working on a big project and sold it.  then 3 years later, someone came and resold it, and enhanced it.  Would you be happy about that?

Somone else is getting profit for all te time you spent into the original product.


Now lets link it to this.

CT was released in what... 1992 was it?

And the remake was going for about 2 years or so I beleive (Im not sure on the exact timespan)
9 years on, and these people create what seems to be, at a first glance, a complete 3D remake of the game.

Now its obvious that SE should have possibly contacted the owner of the site before hand to find EXACTLY what they were doing, but it appears they got a bit CaD happy and just sent one of those out.

The fact remains they were, I suppose, stealing intellectual property...

Shame really, cause I was actually looking forward to it being released.
 
I don't support evil organizations. You all support shinra, and shinra is not good. Shinra is alot like SquareEnix/Riaa/and anything else that only cares about money. Evil they are. They must be destroyed, besides SquareEnix hasn't made any good rpgs in my personal opinion. The true Squaresoft died after Final Fantasy 7 and possibly 8, I haven't played much of 8 though.

Edit: I think we should close this topic. Do I have powers to close it? Or do I need an admin to do it. Cause its just going to be a bs topic, of us communicating our opinions. I didn't want it to go this far. I just don't want to get banned from this forum because I may say something upsetting or something bad. Cause I think this forum is cool and has all the stuff I dreamed about.


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Evil Shinra !!!
 
Cause its just going to be a bs topic, of us communicating our opinions.
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Because God forbid, communicating opinions is a bad, bad thing.

Also Qhimm, the way you replied to my post, 8-Bit Theatre WOULD also be infringement (especially since it uses many of the original sprites), as would any comic such as Penny-Arcade, VGCats, Mac Hall...etc.
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It WOULD be, without the fair use-clause.
 
Well, again, CT:R was made from scratch. They didn't resell or enhance anything.
 
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