New Project: Final Fantasy VII 2D remake

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Well, if you leave the original files intact, and you only write a new engine, i don´t think Square can do anything against it (maybe they can close your Website, since you used the words "Final Fantasy" or have a member on the forums called Cloud  ).
I don´t know how its in other countries, i posted only my opinion :-)

And now to the piracy :
If anyone copy his game-cd´s and spread it through P2P or something, this is sure illegal, because you don´t have the right to do it...
 
Well, if you leave the original files intact, and you only write a new engine, i don´t think Square can do anything against it (maybe they can close your Website, since you used the words "Final Fantasy" or have a member on the forums called Cloud  ).
I don´t know how its in other countries, i posted only my opinion :-)
Uh-huh, just like stealing a car is okay, proved you use the original keys instead of hotwiring it. All these arguments are based on the assumption that doing something that is "slightly less illegal" is okay.
 
I don't want to sound too harsh or like a jackass in this post, but I want to state something I learned on the my law classes, but it's not like I needed them to know.

If it is illegal, then it is illegal. Period

All arguments have already been discussed here, and they are only favorable to square-enix. As such, I would like to set clear something, and there is no "perhaps", "but" or "maybe..." on these:

1) Using the Final Fantasy name is illegal.
2) Don't matter if the project is for non-profit, educational, small or whatever, this won't stop it from being illegal.
3) Using any of the original characters, their script, their names, their designs on purpose, and we are doing on purpose, is illegal. We can "cheat" this by changing names, but this is just a legal hole.
4) Everything illegal, no matter how futile it may seem, is still illegal.
5) These laws may change from country to country. I don't know if what my german friend remains true, but while there are countries whose international policy is quite closed (RIAA can't sue a russian for pirating mp3s, *AFAIK*), most countries have signed agreements to stablish an international law. These same rules apply to Japan, US and Brazil, and with 80% of chance, on your country.
6) Using or modifying the original files, and let me repeat: the use of the original files for anything other than having the original FF7 played, or the modifying of it at all is illegal and this includes, but is not limited to:
6.1) The Chocobo Patch, which received a "green card" from Eidos because they actually won't care about this game anymore.
6.2) Any tool ever written to extract or see the files of FF7.
6.3) Any tool ever written to edit the files of FF7.
6.a) If we are writting our own engine, using their files would be kinda pointless.. imo.
7) FF7 is the intellectual property of Square-Enix. Not ours. Period.

Well, with these things clear, the production of an engine have 3 possible outcomes:
1) Don't really caring about it at all and doing on secret.
2) Moving every file to a server somewhere in a country with a closed international policy, making the official author of the project someone from this country, and letting the rest not having any "official" contact with the project.
3) Asking license to Square-Enix in the most strategic and well thought manner possible.

Now, an analysis of these options.
The first option is really the easiest. Why don't Square-Enix close the sites of Qhimm, Ficedula, Alhexx and others? I really doubt they have *never* seen these sites. It's because it won't matter. Not that they would care, they can just mass-send a generic C&D e-mail anyway, but I don't think this is costing them any money (like most fan sites which release OSTs to download. Each OST downloaded is an OST less bought).
The second option while morally illegal, would not allow, as far as I know, let Square-Enix do anything about it, if the right country is choosen. This is the same strategy as MANY politicians use to send their money, or that many mp3 sites use in order to get a complete and full imunity from RIAA. And keep in mind they are far bigger than Squaresoft.
The third option is the most "right", and at the same time the one with less chances of success but, if suceeded, we would have no legal barriers and this would ease a lot the work. Writting the letter to send them would be a full-scale militar operation.

That is it. I might have missed something. But please people, don't discuss what is illegal or not. If it messes with their product, then it is, simple.
 
god points Elentor if it is illegal it is illegal,but it's the degree of illegalness

but anyway alhexx cooperating with square would be quite good and if the let us do their dirty work and it stays under their lisence and trademark and release it on their website .etc .It would be non-profit
for us or them, so i think it would be a little chanse this would work


But anyway I hope it will get solved.

My english is't that great I know

tyranN
 


hahaha i was on that team. and we (the team) knew it was going to happen sooner or later. but we stopped as soon as they sent the letter.

i wouldnt call them assholes or anything, in truth, they are protecting their investment.

Look at it from this point of view:
While as fans, we had no intention of slighting squeenix or the chrono-trigger name. we couldnt possably hope to please every fan, or have the same quality control that square enix do. and because of that, we cant guarentee a product (even if its free, its still a product) that is acceptable by every fan's standards. so we could actually make square enix or chrono-trigger as a label, look bad.
 
well - I know some other projects creating fan-games of still running games - similar engine, same characters, ... but there is a small difference: they are even supported (more or less) by the creators of the original games - because they asked beforehand.
I don't think you have anything to fear if someone here writes an email asking for permission to create a FF VII 2D game - you wouldn't even need to mention any Forum/Homepage/etc - as you could say - if you get permission, you will create a site for it.
As I see it - they shouldn't have bothered about CT:R - if they were asked beforehand. - I think they just don't like something of their own being used behind their backs...
 
if your plannin on making ffVII 2D using rm2k3 I can definetly help u
cause i got some experience.
 
sephiroth266, uh, considering how dead the topic was, maybe you could gather enough clues to figure out that we are not planning a Final Fantasy VII remake in 2D.
For more clues you could have actually read past the mentally-challenged first post.

+1 Warnable


Using a Sephiroth name.
+1 Warnable.

no i like Sephiroth it's a hell of a lot better than yours
Typing like an idiot.
+1 Warnable.

Flinging.
+1 Warnable.


Yeah, you don’t need to be hanging around these boards.

After you reply to my post you will say a few more things out of anger and spite and either get a warning or a ban.

Soon after that your anger will go out of control and you will be banned if you weren’t already.


Have a nice day.

Oh, and by the way, no, your name is not a hell of a lot nicer than anyone’s.
And you’re exactly the reason why.
Thanks to people such as yourself, I now see “Sephiroth” as nothing but a spoiled-brat 14-year-old with no imagination.
You make the name “Sephiroth” look bad.
Sephiroth used to be a cool character from a cool video game.
Thanks for turning him into nothing more than a laughable joke.


L. Spiro
 
I believe the CT:R team is still working on it, but only for portfolio use.  The final works will never be scene by the public.

Its either the resurrection team, or the other CT remake team.
 
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