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Man, I just spent over an hour reading through this. You guys have loads of really interesting points.
SaiNt: I think this thread should be archived...whatever that means.
 
Man, I could still remember a week last week on tuesday, I turned in my Mid-term essay.  My essay was about hunger in the U.S.  I made some commentaries about the U.S. government not giving enough money to programs that help families feed their children.  I was saying that the government spends more money on the military, trying to protect this country from some threat that I believed no longer existed.  On tuesday, September 11, at 7:30 am, I woke up to say happy  birthday to my father.  Ten minutes after hanging up the phone my mom calls me back telling me about what happened.  I quickly went to see the TV.  As I turned it on, I saw the City of New York covered in smoke.  I could not believe what had happened.  When I found out what was going on, I remembered the Mid-term essay that I had turned in.  I didn't feel so secure in this country as I did when I wroted that paper.  Having something like this happen definately opened my eyes and see that this country is not protected with an Iron Wall, and that this country is as vulnerable as the people who have died.-vvalentine
 
Joey: That demo question is rather insensative in a thread like this.I think what most of you are probably forgetting is that most Islamic countries see their own problems, sees America flourishing, and then decides that America is the cause of their problems.

I'm not saying that America is innocent. Yes, we've made economical blocks, and we've bartered with hostile countries for oil, but we have never taken any unprovoked actions against another country.

Long ago, those Islamic countries that are celebrating the attacks on the US, began brainwashing their chilren into beliving that the US is the evil head of the snake that is squeezing the life out of their country. We can't blame the children for thinking what they've been taught since they where in kindergarden.

But that does not excuse them from killing hundreds or thousands of people, military or civilian alike.

A single life, even one bent on self-sacrifice, is too high a price to pay for any cause. It's easy to hear that 800 people have been killed.

But if you think of your life, how much you've done... How much change you've made... What kind of amasing things you've done... What kinds of people you've met and helped...

Now take that wonderous life you're looking at, and multiply it by two. Then two again. Now try 200.

800 of those individual, amasimg, interconnected lives... gone. In the blink of an eye.

Never to see another sunrise. Never to hear the voices of the ones they loved. Never to talk, feel, or love ever again.

Just gone.

Can anyone who understands that really think about ending one of those marvelous lives?

I know I can't.

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This was expected. Remember how the US made economical blocks on those islam countries?economical blocks = eternal porverty for children, grandchildren and the generation beyound.

which is why those brainless terrorist did this! Those guys are damm selfish not to think about those famililies of the innocent.

I mean, if the *empty* pentagon was destroyed, it would be sufficient for revenge but no, those fucks had to bomb em.

As for Afganistan, I would like to see the country crumble down like the buddha statue that they blasted.

This is the Islamic countries's situation: imagine that you are a puny guy whose everything is being taken away by a bully who is x3 your size. One day, you can't stand it anymore and instead of telling an adult, you decide to kill him by pushing him to the middle of the road with lots of moving cars. He gets killed, and everyone who was bullied(only a small number of people) cheers. Next, you are arrested and punished for killing someone.

America's situation: Plant troublemakers everywhere(Anwar, Suk yi, Falungong); bully weak countries; try to suppress or wipe out a weak country. This is their retrubition but those poor guys are innocent!

BTW, does anyone have the FFX demo? Can you give me?
 
Just to add on to what Seph said:  Yeah, America has screwed up in a lot of instances.  We followed the European model of colonialism and stuck our noses in a lot of people's business-Central America, Asia, the Phillipines, South America, Europe, Africa, and the Middle East-and in a lot of cases, we got burned.  This was coming, a long time coming, and we should have known our actions would bring this.  How does the saying go?  You've made your bed, now you have to lay in it.  But America *has* done a world of good as well, and at a time when no one over here feels very good about anything, that little circular that Seph posted helped to pick up the spirits a bit-It even made it to the national news last night.  We're all too aware of our shortcomings at this point in time.   Fice:  It's going to be difficult.  More difficult than anything we've ever undertaken.  An invisible, un-named enemy, one that uses human shields and cryptic threats.  But think about this-was the task any more formidable in WW2?  America wasn't the "Superpower" that she is now-what did those people feel?  To fight an entrenched, veteran German and Japanese army with untested green troops-hell, it took years just to build up the materials necessary to fight.  I'm sure there were a lot of nay-sayers then as well.  It took the whole country to come together-food was rationed, as well as certain metals and rubber-all to help the war effort.  Everyone-little kids even-hunted for scrap to recycle.  I think (hope?)  we're all aware of what we are up against.  There's a lot of chest-thumping going on, bluster and bravado, and some of it's a natural reaction from people.  I don't know-I guess what I'm saying is just because it's hard-hell, almost impossible, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try.  And even if you fail, I think that there's something good and noble in that.
 
I just read an article in the Mail and it had this bloke from england who said he would do anything to become a suicide bomber, carazy, so its not just those kids in those crazy camps who are brainwashed but also people in England who are not under those influences.
 
Every country has its share of fanatics ... some just have more than others.
 
The death of 84,000 lives has come......when the pillar of the world is destroyed
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that quote if from my magic book. 84 means infinite. The pillar of the world? Religion? Peace? Understanding?
 
Hey guys. I know I haven't been here in a while and I'm a little late posting in this thread but I really like what Sephorith3D said back there. I agree...I couldn't imagine taking someone else's life. And also I can't imagine what the people of NY are going through right now.So my heart goes out to everyone involved and I pray for the families of victims that they can get through this.
 
I really wish people would not just remember the people in NY but also in Washington and Pittsburgh, sure more people were killed in new york but people should still remember the other places as well.
 
Sorry Ant...you are right...but please read my last sentence...it does say everyone.
 
People tend to mention the NY incident because it was a destruction of one of the most prominent icons of the western world, it  is more associable as an attack on all the decomracies than the pittsburgh or washington ones.
 
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