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guitar_dudester91
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So where is Apz?
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Masa-Buster
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If apz's profle is correct he hasn't been on since mid to late May, maybe he won't come back on for another few monthes? Who knows?
Correct me ifI'm wrong
Correct me ifI'm wrong
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willis936
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Now there's an interesting thought.
I mean we've all seen his work firsthand, there's no shortage of talent in him. Look at what he's done for non-FFVII work. It's not like he couldn't UV a face and make it look amazing. It's just as likely someone at a company took part of a mod that's all over the internet than it is that he went through the trouble of ripping a japanese demo rather than just make it himself.
Conclusions should NOT be come to before he comes out with a statement but at the same time it's important to keep this site out of dodge so until this is sorted out there shouldn't be any sharing of his work here.
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Kudistos Megistos
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Unless Squeenix have a time machine, that's very unlikely. I mean, surely there were demos out of Dissidia that had Cloud's texture in them before Apz released the mod? And the chances are that Cloud's model was finished long before the game was released or even the demos.
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obesebear
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Really, what else is there to say? The face texture IS from Dissidia. Even if APZ comes and posts in this thread, there's nothing for him to say because he's already said it.
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willis936
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Ah, I hadn't seen that.
Also that's a good point I guess I got caught up in conspiracy theories rather than keeping the process of creating a game in mind.
Well this all well and unfortunate but I think he should just make his own UV and try to clear some muck off his great name.
Also that's a good point I guess I got caught up in conspiracy theories rather than keeping the process of creating a game in mind.
Well this all well and unfortunate but I think he should just make his own UV and try to clear some muck off his great name.
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Clodus
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Don't mean to necro, but has anyone gotten in contact with Apz? And the suggestion of actually reworking those meshes, is that being considered or no? I realize Millenia's working on their model, but it'd be a bit of a waste to see this model go to waste.
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Kudistos Megistos
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Does anyone know whether the sword was ripped as well? It looked a lot like the CC sword, and I don't have the textures at hand to check.
Necros at qhimm usually mean that the thread hasn't been posted in for over a month.
The thread was only a few days old! That's not a necro! ;D
Necros at qhimm usually mean that the thread hasn't been posted in for over a month.
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Mendelevium
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Apz Tex:
Crisis Core:
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Timu Sumisu
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looks safe to me, if halkun approves, someone should make a zip of the sword only for rerelease.
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Clodus
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Haha, I'll take note of that XD
It would be cool to have any kind of "switch" between the TA and Apz Buster Sword. I swear the tip of the blade looks a little iffy, though...
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nikfrozty
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This still bothers me. How come it is only now that it has been noticed that Apz model of Cloud has a ripped part? Does this mean Squaresoft/Square-Enix is not checking the models being done now here in the qhimms?
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Timu Sumisu
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i highly doubt square regularly checks our models. and it is only now that we checked apz's model.
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nikfrozty
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But Apz model is already years old right? So I think Square didn't even check it at all. They're too busy making ff14.
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Timu Sumisu
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what i mean is they have better things to do then rip up our models
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weeemus
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If I remember Correctly, didn't APZ release the model before Dissadia was out. And once Dissadia and the ripping tools were made. He decided to update the head and hair soon after. Then saying he made the head look similar in between to dissadia and advent children cloud? Correct me if I'm wrong.
But i wouldn't know since I haven't inspected any models or let alone downloaded the apz model.
But i wouldn't know since I haven't inspected any models or let alone downloaded the apz model.
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apz freak
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~*APZ SPEAKS!!!*~
Humorously, Know that as I write this I got my newborn son in my lap :-D Necro posting I guess but I think you guys want to read this.
Well you guys want an explanation now I suppose:
Here's the answer: The mesh is 100% mine. The sword, hair, and body texture are mine. However since you guys are as analytical as I am, there's no way for me to bs the texture of the face away. It is obviously a lazy attempt on my part. I was having a problem with painting it, a poor excuse. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I RIPPED ANY PART OF THE MODEL AND PUT IT ON MINE. What I modeled, I modeled myself using the other as a guide. THE TEXTURE OF THE FACE AND EYES IS THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T CREATE.
That's the absolute truth. There is no "completely ripped" I copied and pasted and color corrected the texture for the face. THAT'S IT! Not counting the face texture, it's otherwise a completely unique creation. If the original thread is still there you can watch the progress of the model from scratch. The model was 100% box modeled by me. (And nobody had ripped anything out of Crisis Core when I made the buster sword and I based the blade on screenshots released before the game came out
)
I guess you could say the crappy excuse that I told myself was that the texture it's self is not supposed to be viewed. If you guys didn't have access to the texture you wouldn't have been able to tell. Infact, if you ask people who work in television broadcast, they do things like this all the time (As a student at the Art Institute of Austin my professors are all professionals from the industry) The reason being that the END product (the complete model not it's isolated parts) is not an exact copy of the source. This is called Fair Use. But it's a large grey area
THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY WHAT I DID. You guys are absolutely right and that small act of vandalism was wrong. But if you want an honest explanation of why. That's was it. That and laziness.
) , full time school, I'm a 3D texture and modeling tutor now. All that just got in the way of me wanting to have anything to do with this place. Or to my mistakes I made here. Guilty! I now live in a 4 bedroom house with 15 people living in it and I make 800~900 dollars a month and no one will hire me because of my school hours, and I'm getting by just fine. I completely understand if no one believes this (That's the same guy who ripped stuff after all) But i swear to you by everything that's holy it's the complete honest truth.
~*However*~
Now that it has come to this, I can offer several solutions:
1) I just repaint the face and everybody's happy (even though my shattered reputation is irreversibly damaged ;-) And that's supposed to upset me )
2) I finally get up off my Arse and do what I kept saying I was gonna do and kept putting it off and make A NEW CLOUD with everything I've learned since I've been at school. Seriously though, I've learned so much about keeping uv's cleaner and edge deformation, all kinds of better cool goodies. I think this might just be the push to get me to do it. Actually, I think I'm starting to become excited about it again!!!
3) "We hate you now APZ because you lied to us, you broke our hearts, please go away and die, we don't want anything from you at all!"
Or even 4) Both 1 and 2 if people love that model that much.
It'd certainly make me happier.
I may never again regain you guys respect. But understand that this just isn't that big of a deal to me. This was a stepping stone I used to teach myself more about modeling and texturing. This was the first time I modeled a character in it's entirety. It's in the past for me, I've moved on, I've learned, I've gotten better. It's my take on a copyrighted character, it's not something I made for profit, I'm not emotionally attached to it. If you want to continue to disregard anything I post after discovering I copied a single texture, that's entirely up to you.
Bottom Line is that I was sorry when I copied the face texture, I was wrong, but other than that it is still my creation entirely. And that I'm not gonna cry over spilled model when what I really would want is to scrap it and start over anyways. And move on
On the bright side: I'm a daddy now, and I'm excelling at the Art Institute of Austin (No I don't rip off anything at school ;-) )
Check out my temporary portfolio I haven't gotten around to stuffing: http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Portfolio/
and this AWESOME (yet incredibly flawed and unfinished) video I made and animated:
And I made that from conception to completion in 11 weeks. 100% content made by me, even the sfx and music (That's me playing guitar)
Here's my latest creation, same idea I had with Cloud only Doom: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=128461210540511
Humorously, Know that as I write this I got my newborn son in my lap :-D Necro posting I guess but I think you guys want to read this.
I'm speechless. I had no idea that this tiny project would mean so much to so many people. So I'm a fallen hero now huh? :? Really? I was ANYBODY's idol at all!? I never could understand just how popular this model became, because, well... i just wasn't that interested in this community, no offense. Understand how surreal this all is to me.
Well you guys want an explanation now I suppose:
Here's the answer: The mesh is 100% mine. The sword, hair, and body texture are mine. However since you guys are as analytical as I am, there's no way for me to bs the texture of the face away. It is obviously a lazy attempt on my part. I was having a problem with painting it, a poor excuse. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I RIPPED ANY PART OF THE MODEL AND PUT IT ON MINE. What I modeled, I modeled myself using the other as a guide. THE TEXTURE OF THE FACE AND EYES IS THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T CREATE.
That's the absolute truth. There is no "completely ripped" I copied and pasted and color corrected the texture for the face. THAT'S IT! Not counting the face texture, it's otherwise a completely unique creation. If the original thread is still there you can watch the progress of the model from scratch. The model was 100% box modeled by me. (And nobody had ripped anything out of Crisis Core when I made the buster sword and I based the blade on screenshots released before the game came out
)I guess you could say the crappy excuse that I told myself was that the texture it's self is not supposed to be viewed. If you guys didn't have access to the texture you wouldn't have been able to tell. Infact, if you ask people who work in television broadcast, they do things like this all the time (As a student at the Art Institute of Austin my professors are all professionals from the industry) The reason being that the END product (the complete model not it's isolated parts) is not an exact copy of the source. This is called Fair Use. But it's a large grey area
THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY WHAT I DID. You guys are absolutely right and that small act of vandalism was wrong. But if you want an honest explanation of why. That's was it. That and laziness.
Thanks Timu ;-) You hit the nail on the head. Couldn't have said it better without several paragraphs if I tried :-DAs to everyone's idol being shattered, i get you. I got inspired by him too, in fact he got me into ff7 modeling/modding. although mildly shocking, this event should not shake the faith of any of you. whats important is the inspiration you got, and that you keep using it. If you got a jumpstart by being inspired by apz, its in you now to do stuff, don't need apz to hold yer hand
What he did isnt a huge deal, just doesnt conform with qhimm rules. learning from pros like Square is a great thing to do, and i've gotten much better by studying their textures and models.
I never thought of myself as an idol, because quite frankly I made this model purely for my own selfish reasons, even though I like to share. Actually I'm quite glad that the old model is gone! I've never been particularly proud of copying that texture, and that's why I several times promised that i would re-do it so that I could make a new one before anyone find out! ;D ;D ;D ;D Well it's too late for that now, oh well! Life, horrible family tragedy, depression, a full time job (Not anymore...
) , full time school, I'm a 3D texture and modeling tutor now. All that just got in the way of me wanting to have anything to do with this place. Or to my mistakes I made here. Guilty! I now live in a 4 bedroom house with 15 people living in it and I make 800~900 dollars a month and no one will hire me because of my school hours, and I'm getting by just fine. I completely understand if no one believes this (That's the same guy who ripped stuff after all) But i swear to you by everything that's holy it's the complete honest truth.~*However*~
Now that it has come to this, I can offer several solutions:
1) I just repaint the face and everybody's happy (even though my shattered reputation is irreversibly damaged ;-) And that's supposed to upset me )
2) I finally get up off my Arse and do what I kept saying I was gonna do and kept putting it off and make A NEW CLOUD with everything I've learned since I've been at school. Seriously though, I've learned so much about keeping uv's cleaner and edge deformation, all kinds of better cool goodies. I think this might just be the push to get me to do it. Actually, I think I'm starting to become excited about it again!!!
3) "We hate you now APZ because you lied to us, you broke our hearts, please go away and die, we don't want anything from you at all!"
Or even 4) Both 1 and 2 if people love that model that much.
It'd certainly make me happier.
I may never again regain you guys respect. But understand that this just isn't that big of a deal to me. This was a stepping stone I used to teach myself more about modeling and texturing. This was the first time I modeled a character in it's entirety. It's in the past for me, I've moved on, I've learned, I've gotten better. It's my take on a copyrighted character, it's not something I made for profit, I'm not emotionally attached to it. If you want to continue to disregard anything I post after discovering I copied a single texture, that's entirely up to you.
Bottom Line is that I was sorry when I copied the face texture, I was wrong, but other than that it is still my creation entirely. And that I'm not gonna cry over spilled model when what I really would want is to scrap it and start over anyways. And move on
On the bright side: I'm a daddy now, and I'm excelling at the Art Institute of Austin (No I don't rip off anything at school ;-) )
Check out my temporary portfolio I haven't gotten around to stuffing: http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/apz_freak/Portfolio/
and this AWESOME (yet incredibly flawed and unfinished) video I made and animated:
And I made that from conception to completion in 11 weeks. 100% content made by me, even the sfx and music (That's me playing guitar)
Here's my latest creation, same idea I had with Cloud only Doom: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=128461210540511
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sl1982
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Thanks for coming back and speaking about this Apz. Personally I do not care that you used parts of other games for your model since everything else was done so well. Unfortunately because of this it cannot be made available here, but that doesn't stop people from getting it elsewhere. Also congrats on being a father, I just became one a little over a week ago and I must say it is amazing. Nice work in your portfolio.
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Costa07
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Wow nice portfolio and like timu said in the past not a big deal. People make make mistakes it natural for use. All u can do is get back on your feet and keep on going. Them models in your portfolio look great i can see your skill have got really good.
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apz freak
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Thanks guys! I'm actually used to a combination of bizarre immaturity and intense grudges in the rare instances I've entered the mod world. I thank ALL of you guys even the ones who are disappointed in me for your openness and willingness to discuss things as adults.
Once that model became way too popular I became annoyed, not necessarily at the people, I understood that it was love, the same love that I made him with. But just annoyed at the responsibility of something that I didn't really care that much about. That and a full pm box once a month for almost a year straight... "Can you send me this?" "Can you send me your first version of the model?" "Can I have the Sephiroth you ripped and edited?" You can only answer "NO" so many time before you lose all enthusiasm and just don't want to respond anymore.
I really and honestly don't care if I ever see that old Cloud again. (I tried opening it up and was quite frankly horrified! ;D ) I realize it was very important in inspiring many people to join this community and participate in it. Don't think I don't appreciate what that means to people. But I think everything would be better if we just move on, let it stay dead, I don't want to resurrect that thing. I hear some people here have already blown me away! 8) Well good, I'm glad that other people are taking the stage to broadcast their talent and learning more skills, THAT'S What I'm all about! If you guys don't mind, the board has changed so much it'll be hard for me to surf through it all, would you mind pointing me towards these other project threads? I'd appreciate it!
(Ask anyone who's talked extensively with me in the past, you know that this is what I'm about! That... and getting sidetracked 8) )
It was only after posting this that I remembered that I originally laid it into the texture as a base temp to quickly check the face I modeled. (Professionals do this all the time, but only as a temp) But I don't recall anything more than that, I remember rationalizing with myself as to why I'm keeping it in there. ("It's only gonna be in the texture nobody's looking at, if someone's gonna look and call me out it'll happen within a month or so") Surprise~! I'm sure I tried to paint my own but just got frustrated. That's probably what happened.
And again. If you guys can't find it in your heart to forgive me. Just allow me to warmly say, We're all Human, We all make stupid mistakes (On purpose sometimes)
AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaand. Anything I contribute to this community NOW will be 10 times more AWESOME than that old model!
Once that model became way too popular I became annoyed, not necessarily at the people, I understood that it was love, the same love that I made him with. But just annoyed at the responsibility of something that I didn't really care that much about. That and a full pm box once a month for almost a year straight... "Can you send me this?" "Can you send me your first version of the model?" "Can I have the Sephiroth you ripped and edited?" You can only answer "NO" so many time before you lose all enthusiasm and just don't want to respond anymore.
I really and honestly don't care if I ever see that old Cloud again. (I tried opening it up and was quite frankly horrified! ;D ) I realize it was very important in inspiring many people to join this community and participate in it. Don't think I don't appreciate what that means to people. But I think everything would be better if we just move on, let it stay dead, I don't want to resurrect that thing. I hear some people here have already blown me away! 8) Well good, I'm glad that other people are taking the stage to broadcast their talent and learning more skills, THAT'S What I'm all about! If you guys don't mind, the board has changed so much it'll be hard for me to surf through it all, would you mind pointing me towards these other project threads? I'd appreciate it!
(Ask anyone who's talked extensively with me in the past, you know that this is what I'm about! That... and getting sidetracked 8) )
It was only after posting this that I remembered that I originally laid it into the texture as a base temp to quickly check the face I modeled. (Professionals do this all the time, but only as a temp) But I don't recall anything more than that, I remember rationalizing with myself as to why I'm keeping it in there. ("It's only gonna be in the texture nobody's looking at, if someone's gonna look and call me out it'll happen within a month or so") Surprise~! I'm sure I tried to paint my own but just got frustrated. That's probably what happened.
And again. If you guys can't find it in your heart to forgive me. Just allow me to warmly say, We're all Human, We all make stupid mistakes (On purpose sometimes)
AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaand. Anything I contribute to this community NOW will be 10 times more AWESOME than that old model!
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