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Kudistos Megistos
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I don't think there is an ignore button. If there is, I'm going to ignore everyone except myself ;D
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sl1982
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There isn't. Add-ons do exist, but unfortunately they are somewhat bugged in the fact that you can ignore mods and admins.
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Kudistos Megistos
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I just looked at "Who's Online" and saw you checking out my profile. I hope you weren't looking for an ignore button. Because that would make me a sad panda ;D
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sl1982
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Was the easiest one to click. :
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Kudistos Megistos
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Was the easiest one to click. :
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blackdeathmessenger
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Dude,what the hell is your problem? Just because I don't believe what you believe?
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Kudistos Megistos
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Looks like the shit will continue to fly for a while.
I'm going to sit back, watch, and enjoy myself.
I'm going to sit back, watch, and enjoy myself.
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sl1982
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If you want to continue this fight take it somewhere else please.
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blackdeathmessenger
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Hey,I'm not trying to start a fight or anything,really. Despite the words I used, I wasn't looking for one.
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Furzball
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I just programmed firefox to ignore him. No need for forum ignore.
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Lion
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Kudistos Megistos
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I think that pic suitably sums up everything that has been said so far :roll:
BTW, let's hope Hermoor never finds it. He hates Finns for being more Viking than he is ;D
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blackdeathmessenger
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So much for trying to be civil about the how thing, or even showing RESPECT.
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gjoerulv
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Nope, I don't buy it. Even though I'm a bit impressed with the theory, it doesn't make the story better imo. You really have to dig deep here to grasp it, and, even then, every "evidence" is a bit far-fetched.
I think the story is as weird as it is 'cause the developers wanted to be original and (a bit) controversial. This is present in the junction-system as well.
Nope, I don't buy it. Even though I'm a bit impressed with the theory, it doesn't make the story better imo. You really have to dig deep here to grasp it, and, even then, every "evidence" is a bit far-fetched.
I think the story is as weird as it is 'cause the developers wanted to be original and (a bit) controversial. This is present in the junction-system as well.
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yoshi314
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let's try go a little back to the thread.
since we're making up crazy stuff, what if the latter half of ff7 is actually rufus' fantasy, after he gets attacted by weapon? makes sense!
oh and whole ff6 is about terra getting killed by an esper right at the beginning, just like the soldiers accompanying her.
i bet we can apply this schema to way more games. c'mon, show your stuff.
it really fits silent hill 1, and silent hill 3 too. because you pretty much get killed at the beginning, or at least that's the way it looks like. in both games it seems like a dream.
it could be an equivalent of axis of awesome is in music, adapted to games.
since we're making up crazy stuff, what if the latter half of ff7 is actually rufus' fantasy, after he gets attacted by weapon? makes sense!
oh and whole ff6 is about terra getting killed by an esper right at the beginning, just like the soldiers accompanying her.
i bet we can apply this schema to way more games. c'mon, show your stuff.
it really fits silent hill 1, and silent hill 3 too. because you pretty much get killed at the beginning, or at least that's the way it looks like. in both games it seems like a dream.
it could be an equivalent of axis of awesome is in music, adapted to games.
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Doesn't work with Silent Hill 1 because of Silent Hill 3.
For everything else, if we assume everything that happens prior to the potential point of death to establish the tendencies of the characters and the rules of the universe, none of those really create any in-universe implausibility, with a noticeable shift in themes and relationships, following someones possible death.
Yes I know the idea that Square Enix intended that Squall was dead is a lot more improbable in real life but as long as an interpretation is consistent with all established canon it's not really incorrect, regardless of the authors intentions. At least that's what's generally taught in literary analysis (or we could just say that reading it as Squall's Dead is a derivative work with effectively the same script), and gafjugh the point is I think there's at least a solid enough case to not call this arbitrary or nonsense.
For everything else, if we assume everything that happens prior to the potential point of death to establish the tendencies of the characters and the rules of the universe, none of those really create any in-universe implausibility, with a noticeable shift in themes and relationships, following someones possible death.
Yes I know the idea that Square Enix intended that Squall was dead is a lot more improbable in real life but as long as an interpretation is consistent with all established canon it's not really incorrect, regardless of the authors intentions. At least that's what's generally taught in literary analysis (or we could just say that reading it as Squall's Dead is a derivative work with effectively the same script), and gafjugh the point is I think there's at least a solid enough case to not call this arbitrary or nonsense.
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blackdeathmessenger
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Ok, I'm done with this topic. I'm just...done. To put it like Jack Sparrow: "I wash my hands of this weirdness."
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Lion
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proper storytelling (the
i think you should differentiate between possible and plausible. possible means if it can happen, plausible means if it reasonable. and by all means it's not reasonable at all. The main character dies (ok that's possible). But there would be no character growth, resolution, or anything worth noting in 3 whole discs. Leaving Squall still as a loner, still mission-focused, still love deprived, still insecure, still a cold and unapproachable person. It leaves Edea alive, Rinoa unloved, Seifer unchallenged and Ultimecia with all her powers. It does not explain Irvines case of nerves (because he was shooting at matron), it does not explain Lagunas relationship to Squall, it doesn't add anything to the story, but rather subtracts from it. All the loose ends that are tied up in the 2nd 3rd and final discs become invalidated. So essentially this theory creates more holes than it supposedly fixes (i've yet to see one, the time loop is debatable but it's not a flaw in the plot, but more in the theory of time loops). Themes and symbolism are intended to strengthen a storys intended meaning, not to support some crock what-if story about how the main character dies that goes against the grain of every story anyones ever heard. If someone dies, then be assured there will be hints at the death. (near death does not count as nearly every story has this, there is no way to distinguish this from any other story). I can't exactly put my finger on it, but it's not just one thing that's wrong with this theory. It's like saying, I don't like the intended idea of the Bible and since I've seen the Matrix I'm going to project what I felt should have happened onto the Bible. I could argue Jesus is from the Matrix, (and piss off a lot of people while I'm at it). Seeing as how he miraculously walks on water, feeds thousands of people with hardly anything, comes back to life, talks to God and is supposed to be the saviour. It's like a puzzle with a missing piece. Sure you can put some play doh inside and mold it into the shape of the missing piece, but it's quite obviously bs and would not make sense to go there. It may fit, but fitting does not mean it's accurate.
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ScottMcTony
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I was saying that what actually explicitly happens in FF8 after the end of disc 1 is a tad implausible in accordance with rules established in disc 1, and personal circumstances at the time of Squall's supposed death. I did differentiate, and, um, this is the second time that you've made a big wall of text stemming from the misunderstanding of a single word, a wall of text that is therefore not a response to what I actually stated (or at least intended to state).
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Chocobo_Girl
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I've never played any of the games (I'm sure I'd shit my pants or something) but I have seen the movie, and it is implied that at the beginning of the movie they do actually die when they get into a car crash when they see something creepeh on their way to Silent Hill. When they get back to their home they realize they're not in the same world they came from (hence probably dead).
Watch him come back.
That’s the point you’re missing. Squall’s character does develop in his “dream” and the story continues on in his dream. I’ve heard plenty of stories that end up with the character just waking up and it was just a dream. Sure that’s a pretty lame plot device, *but* it doesn’t stop the story from being a story. Think of Eternal Sonata. I haven’t played it but I’ve heard that it’s all about Chopin’s dream. It doesn’t mean that it ain’t a story just cuz it’s told in that form.
The stories in the Bible are only to “guide” people and to set a path for them. That is ultimately the point of most religions. Pretty much like myths, the most important part of them is the moral of the story, not whether it’s true or not.
BTW, please use paragraphs. Hueg blocks of text kill me a little inside.
Yes, he does talk a lot without really saying anything. : /
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