The Squall's Dead Theory

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And I would ask that you consider http://squallsdead.com/
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WALL OF TEXT, NO CAPITLIZATION.
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Seriously, I'm not even following the conversation,  but you're Wall o' Text and lack of capitalization makes me want to punch a baby.   I can't even start to read it without feeling like I'm somehow being trolled.   For the love of God can someone please translate?
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I'll have a go:

Excuse me sir, was your post a work of satire? One can quite easily use the argument that things are to be taken as "symbolic" to defend the Matrix Bible, even though the intellectual integrity of this work is questionable. It is not hard to make use of sophistic devices in order to defend a poor argument, claiming that thing are to be taken as symbolic; however, the general public disagrees with the interpretation of the things he gives as proof to his theories. It is not even amongst the ten most common prima facie interpretations of the evidence we have. The possibility of a theory being true is not sufficient justification for claiming it is true.

I argued, sir, that Cloud was dead and that one can support this theory by invoking "symbolism" in the game as evidence. In fact, this argument can be made to support theories that other main characters in the Final Fantasy series are dead. I say that it is possible but highly improbable, and believe that you are the victim of confirmation bias. This fellow saw Vanilla Sky (a film that was released after Final Fantasy VIII) and, after coming to the idea that it would be jolly well spiffing for Final Fantasy VIII to be Vanilla Sky, suffers from a confirmation bias that leads him to accept without question anything that supports his argument and ignore anything that appears to contradict it. I think religious people are often victims of confirmation bias. Whilst I shall not attempt to answer the question of whether God exists, I would like to point out that seemingly random events (such as a person finding money on the floor) are often used as evidence for the existence of God.
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I'm sorry, I couldn't make any sense out of it. I think that our good friend might be one of those computer programs designed to pass the Turing test, one that spews out random phrases in order to give the impression of being human.
 
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Ah, my deepest gratitude, good sir.   It would appear, fortunately, that there is some sense to be made of it.  I do believe the problem stems from a gross overuse of filler information.   I will have a go at summarizing his post based solely off of your rough translation.


Summary
I disagree with the points made in the link you provided.  Reason being, I believe something different.  I am also not a religious person.
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I would like to apologize in advance if there were some issues of importance that I missed.  Any other attempts at translation or summarizing are most certainly welcome.  If we all chip in, we are sure to crack this dialect!
 
Count me out >:(

Also, this thread needs more images...

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Oh man, the fun I could have with this thread. My creative mind and lack of caring about other people will make some great stuff here.

FFVII/FFX(-2):

Final Fantasy X(-2) is the past of Final Fantasy VII, as proved by Shinra when he discovers the energy in the planet. Thus, in the future of FFVII, when Cloud dies in the Northern Crater, he clings to life, because he feels he hasn't dealt with everything he should have, much like how Seymour and Auron did in the past.

And after he defeats Sephiroth, he can't go on to the Life Stream because there's no Summoners to help him move on.

 And then, Sephiroth, using another person, comes back to a half life to try and bring Cloud back to the Life Stream, because Sephiroth, after talking with Aeris, has made a revelation and now feels the need to help Cloud back to the Life Stream.

(Yeah, I'm just pullin this outa my ass. I don't really believe this.)

FFVII:

Summon Materia isn't made like other Materia. Blank, non-magical materia is occasionally formed, and when a powerful individual or group (KOTR) die near this blank materia, instead of going to the Life Stream, the blank materia absorbs the persons soul, and creates a summon.

(THis would be pretty cool twist to FFVII)

FF in General:

What if all the final fantasy are just part of one long timeline that is constantly changing because of earth shattering events that rearange the planet it self, and the games are all just important events in the timeline of the planet whenever it's threated by some strong, evil individual?

Real Life:

What if it's all fake, and we're just dreaming? Or we're in the Matrix! And the Matrix movies are the way the people outside of the Matrix are trying to tell us what we're in? Or even worse! George Lucas is planing on making another Star Wars movie based on what happens before the original trilogy!?


Well, take that into what ever direction you feel like, cause I'm most likely going to laugh manically about it.

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FF in General:

What if all the final fantasy are just part of one long timeline that is constantly changing because of earth shattering events that rearange the planet it self, and the games are all just important events in the timeline of the planet whenever it's threated by some strong, evil individual?
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Or rather, what if all the final fantasy games are all the same story taking place in different possible dimensions? ;D :P
 
Or rather, what if all the final fantasy games are all the same story taking place in different possible dimensions? ;D :P
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That just:
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My mind.
 
Or rather, what if all the final fantasy games are all the same story taking place in different possible dimensions? ;D :P
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That just:
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My mind.
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Sorry. Have a bandaid *hands over a bandaid* =D

The general plot of final fantasy games are very similar. Especially in the earlier games. FF1 and FF3 are about 4 lightwarriors going to fight off some evil d00d. FF3 and FF5 both have evil d00ds who want to return the world to the void, etc. =P
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Oh man, the fun I could have with this thread. My creative mind and lack of caring about other people will make some great stuff here.

FFVII/FFX(-2):

Final Fantasy X(-2) is the past of Final Fantasy VII, as proved by Shinra when he discovers the energy in the planet. Thus, in the future of FFVII, when Cloud dies in the Northern Crater, he clings to life, because he feels he hasn't dealt with everything he should have, much like how Seymour and Auron did in the past.

And after he defeats Sephiroth, he can't go on to the Life Stream because there's no Summoners to help him move on.

 And then, Sephiroth, using another person, comes back to a half life to try and bring Cloud back to the Life Stream, because Sephiroth, after talking with Aeris, has made a revelation and now feels the need to help Cloud back to the Life Stream.

(Yeah, I'm just pullin this outa my ass. I don't really believe this.)

FFVII:

Summon Materia isn't made like other Materia. Blank, non-magical materia is occasionally formed, and when a powerful individual or group (KOTR) die near this blank materia, instead of going to the Life Stream, the blank materia absorbs the persons soul, and creates a summon.

(THis would be pretty cool twist to FFVII)

FF in General:

What if all the final fantasy are just part of one long timeline that is constantly changing because of earth shattering events that rearange the planet it self, and the games are all just important events in the timeline of the planet whenever it's threated by some strong, evil individual?

Real Life:

What if it's all fake, and we're just dreaming? Or we're in the Matrix! And the Matrix movies are the way the people outside of the Matrix are trying to tell us what we're in? Or even worse! George Lucas is planing on making another Star Wars movie based on what happens before the original trilogy!?


Well, take that into what ever direction you feel like, cause I'm most likely going to laugh manically about it.

cat_laughing_out_loud.jpg
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You have a very imaginative mind there. Although I like your theory about the ff7 summons since in ff8 they are monsters we can fight I kind of think that summons in ff7 was monsters before.
 
Actually, the Final Fantasy producer said Final Fantasy 7 is Final Fantasy X in the future. Not sure if you were mocking that, or did not know.

It is noted in an official book (FFオフィシャルブック) that Spira is the world of Final Fantasy VII, but in a far distant past. Pyreflies are also equivalent to Lifestream of the latter game, though appearing in different forms.
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I would call that more of a metaphorical comparison than a literal one, but I suppose it does make some sense.  Sin could be a WEAPON, couldn't it?
 
If only all these reflections and acrobatics of logic were used to actually figure out how to mod the games in question better....i wonder at what point we would be.
 
Probably nowhere. There would be to much thinkin', and not enough doin'
 
FF in General:

What if all the final fantasy are just part of one long timeline that is constantly changing because of earth shattering events that rearange the planet it self, and the games are all just important events in the timeline of the planet whenever it's threated by some strong, evil individual?
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Or rather, what if all the final fantasy games are all the same story taking place in different possible dimensions? ;D :P
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i think dissidia beat you to it. because the concept of the game is pretty much the way you described.
 
http://www.willamette.edu/~ejohnson/findex.htm
Something I stumbled across ages ago.
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That's very interesting, I made a few of those connections on my own such as in FF9 you walk into the weapons shot at Lindblum and you'll notice a large sword on the wall, if you press the "ok" button at it he'll say something like "I remember a guy with spiky hair who used to wield something like this" which would only lead one to believe he's referring to cloud. At some point when I noticed all these connections I myself couldn't help but believe the possibility that all these final fantasies are somehow connected to the same universe and really are distant sequels and prequels of each other. The only FF I couldn't find a connection with was FF8, I can't see how it's connected to any other FF.
 
Well, the ifrit from FF8 looks a lot like the one from FFX. That's pretty much all I can think of :P
 
http://www.willamette.edu/~ejohnson/findex.htm
Something I stumbled across ages ago.
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That's very interesting, I made a few of those connections on my own such as in FF9 you walk into the weapons shot at Lindblum and you'll notice a large sword on the wall, if you press the "ok" button at it he'll say something like "I remember a guy with spiky hair who used to wield something like this" which would only lead one to believe he's referring to cloud. At some point when I noticed all these connections I myself couldn't help but believe the possibility that all these final fantasies are somehow connected to the same universe and really are distant sequels and prequels of each other. The only FF I couldn't find a connection with was FF8, I can't see how it's connected to any other FF.
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I think in FF9 it also says the names of Cloud and Squall in the end of the game?? And in FF8 maybe the technology they use is the same with FF13. Can't think of anything for ff8 so that's that. :)
 
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