Trolling Thread: For all your trolling needs

[xLostWingx]

I was interested in determining whether it is safer to travel by plane or car.  The answer should present itself if we examine data from multiple sources.  I have two sources, 1 for cars, and 1 for planes.  They are not infallible, but they appear to be reliable enough for our purposes.  Other sources are encouraged.

Plane Safety:  http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/01/11/336920/global-airline-accident-review-of-2009.html

Car Safety:  http://www.who.int/features/2004/road_safety/en/

In terms of Injuries and Deaths - Cars 1.2 Million deaths per year; 50 Million injuries per year.

                                                     Planes 806 Deaths per year (avg.); 31 Fatal Accidents per year.

Note that up to 30% of fatal car accidents involve a drunk driver (in the USA).  Also, many car accidents are collisions between vehicles and human beings or cyclists.  Plane crashes usually involve catastrophic mechanical failure, or a drastic pilot error - some automobile fatalities are a result of mechanical failure (but consider how often planes are maintanenced verus how many cars are poorly maintained).

And this is for planes:
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•1990-94: 1.32 serious accidents per million departures. •1995-99: 1.06. •2000-04: 0.58. •2005-09: 0.55.

By serious, I believe they mean involving a fatality.

It is clear to me that cars are much more dangerous than planes, but nearly all automobile fatalities are preventable while the trip is taking place, but it has been mentioned that plane accidents usually occur on takeoff or landing.

If I am driving a car, or in an area where cars are being driven, the introduction of a loud noise, an interesting scene, a hole in the road, or excessive speeds (and 1000 other factors) can create an accident in an instant.  The plane travels through air and is not subject to most of these factors.  However, outside forces can act on planes (bird strikes) and mechanical failure can happen in automobiles (Toyota Brake Failures).

 

[DLPB_]

That does not answer the question properly at all, because you have not used an average based on how many total journey's there are (and by that stat, cars come out 3X worse).

There are far far more car journeys than plane journeys, so obviously a sum total will show planes having less deaths.   (I also didn't realise it was this thread because of the post title, but since this is actually debating I will leave the post here).

You cannot use sum totals in this debate, as it is the most unfair stat going.

 

[xLostWingx]

Well here is some data http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

By using the information here, I've calculated that there is 1 death per 292,865,490,000 vehicle miles traveled (in the USA) or a .000000000293% chance of dying for every mile you drive.  By injuries, it would be 52 times that number chance of sustaining an injury by driving. Insignificant indeed.  But then I found this.

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Fatality rate per billion passenger miles traveled Car (most dangerous) 7.2 Airplane 2.3 Bus 2.0 Train (safest) 0.5

http://airfare.michaelbluejay.com/modes.html#sources

From here http://airfare.michaelbluejay.com/modes.html With a list of sources.

I didn't check the math on each source, but its something to look at.  I would have to say that fatalities per passenger mile is  a good method of determining safety.  Journey numbers is too ambiguous.  Planes cover those miles faster, so in terms of "time spent in vehicle" planes are even more dangerous than simply by passenger mile.  Deaths per passenger hour of travel might be a better method.

 

[Cupcake]

Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you.  Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.

I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.

Then changed your mind five minutes later.

Mako talked me into staying, don't think it's of free will.  Also, the hatred/dislike of you stems from you trolling, and just being an asshole more often lately.  I don't know what caused it, but for the last week or so, you just seem to be on the warpath.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you.  Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.

I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.

Then changed your mind five minutes later.

Mako talked me into staying, don't think it's of free will.

Oh, it's not free will?

Did she tie you up and prevent you from deleting your account?

Also, the hatred/dislike of you stems from you trolling, and just being an ahole more often lately.  I don't know what caused it, but for the last week or so, you just seem to be on the warpath.

Maybe that's just your perception. Anyway, what was it that sl said about no more personal attacks? Calling me an arsehole is certainly a personal attack. I'd be more careful, if I were you.

I leave this as my final warning: Any more personal attacks and said person will be moderated and I will filter their posts before they are posted. This goes for everyone

 

[BloodShot]

Did i miss something?  ???

This trolling thread seems true TLR material.

 

[Cupcake]

Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you.  Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.

I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.

Then changed your mind five minutes later.

Mako talked me into staying, don't think it's of free will.

Oh, it's not free will?

Did she tie you up and prevent you from deleting your account?

Also, the hatred/dislike of you stems from you trolling, and just being an ahole more often lately.  I don't know what caused it, but for the last week or so, you just seem to be on the warpath.

Maybe that's just your perception. Anyway, what was it that sl said about no more personal attacks? Calling me an arsehole is certainly a personal attack. I'd be more careful, if I were you.

I leave this as my final warning: Any more personal attacks and said person will be moderated and I will filter their posts before they are posted. This goes for everyone

1) Or, you know, I try to be a nice person every now and then, something I'm sure you know nothing about

2) I've gotten to the point where I don't give a shit, if I got moderated/banned, so be it, I really don't care, but I'm sick and tired of just holding my tongue so I don't get moderated/banned.  I sit mostly on IRC anyway.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

1) Or, you know, I try to be a nice person every now and then, something I'm sure you know nothing about

Is that so?

Well, a lot of people have commented on my helpfulness. In fact, I'm one of the most helpful people to people who have a problem with running or modding the game, as long as the person is polite and I know how to deal with it.

Of course, this happens in the on-topic forums, something I'm sure you know nothing about.

2) I've gotten to the point where I don't give a sh*t, if I got moderated/banned, so be it, I really don't care, but I'm sick and tired of just holding my tongue so I don't get moderated/banned.  I sit mostly on IRC anyway.

I see. Then let rip. I'm sure you have beefs with plenty of people. Why not make a thread about it?

 

[Cupcake]

1) Or, you know, I try to be a nice person every now and then, something I'm sure you know nothing about

Is that so?

Well, a lot of people have commented on my helpfulness. In fact, I'm one of the most helpful people to people who have a problem with running or modding the game, as long as the person is polite and I know how to deal with it.

Of course, this happens in the on-topic forums, something I'm sure you know nothing about.

2) I've gotten to the point where I don't give a sh*t, if I got moderated/banned, so be it, I really don't care, but I'm sick and tired of just holding my tongue so I don't get moderated/banned.  I sit mostly on IRC anyway.

I see. Then let rip. I'm sure you have beefs with plenty of people. Why not make a thread about it?

Lurking in on-topic ≠ not present in on-topic.  I just don't give a shit about people having issues running the game, mine are solved, save for one or two, which are uniquely mine, for various reasons, and not much I can do about them, so fuck it.  So what if I don't feel like typing up a guide for one person, so they understand how to install Aali's driver.  So what if you do?  Being able to go "HERP DERP I KNOWZ 'DIS HEREZ TEH INFOS" isn't anything to gloat about.


Actually... not really, only people I have an issue with right now, are you, and Jari, everybody else I'm actually on good terms with.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

I just don't give a sh*t about people having issues running the game, mine are solved, save for one or two, which are uniquely mine, for various reasons, and not much I can do about them, so f*ck it.  So what if I don't feel like typing up a guide for one person, so they understand how to install Aali's driver.  So what if you do?  Being able to go "HERP DERP I KNOWZ 'DIS HEREZ TEH INFOS" isn't anything to gloat about.

So you see no reason to help anyone at all, so long as all of your issues are solved?

Yeah, you're coming across as a really nice guy. I'm sure the forums will be much worse off when you leave or get banned.

Actually... not really, only people I have an issue with right now, are you, and Jari, everybody else I'm actually on good terms with.

If sl1982 keeps his promise, I think you might have issues with some other people as well.

 

[drfeelgud88]

Didn't bother reading this embarrassment of a thread (the trolling parts) so I'll just say one thing: Some people can really get into discussions as these.

I should read up on it to see why and what lead to these events. I'm afraid that by doing so, I would feel the need to punch myself in the gut for being all interested in a thread in which is calling certain people out.

 

[Bosola]

I really like reverse-engineering Squaresoft RPGs.

If only there were a forum where we could discuss it

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

I should read up on it to see why and what lead to these events. I'm afraid that by doing so, I would feel the need to punch myself in the gut for being all interested in a thread in which is calling certain people out.

I wouldn't recommend it, if for no other reason than the fact that you're unlikely to find any enlightenment. I suspect a lot of what has gone on here is a result of people bringing up deep resentments that they'd kept silent up until now, and keeping onto old grudges.

And a lot of the shitstorm stems from people confusing me with someone else.

I really like reverse-engineering Squaresoft RPGs.

If only there were a forum where we could discuss it

Have you tried facepunch?

I personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.

 

[drfeelgud88]

I personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.

You can do that? Wow, I did not know that; not that I would do it anyway to begin with. I'd rather just go about my business and do something else. It is not like "OMG I must read this!" ha.  ;D

 

[DLPB_]

Fatality rate per billion passenger miles traveled
Car (most dangerous)
 7.2
Airplane
 2.3
Bus
 2.0
Train (safest)
 0.5

Let's say that those are correct... they still show that the claim "Planes are the safest form of transport" is dubious to say the least, which is my main problem with the aviation authority and people who claim planes as safest.

 

[Kudistos Megistos]

Let's say that those are correct... they still show that the claim "Planes are the safest form of transport" is dubious to say the least, which is my main problem with the aviation authority and people who claim planes as safest.

Not long ago, you were vehemently arguing that planes were more dangerous than cars. Now you're content to say merely that they are not the most safe method of transport. That's an interesting change in your argument. Could it be that you are considering the possibility that you were wrong?

 

[Jari]

Seriously, you  need to learn to get your fun elsewhere.  This is a bit basic.  You have both got to such a point that you don't even care how obvious your trolling is...  it has become second nature to you.  While we are at it, trolling is a mental disorder and is strongly linked to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

In other words it makes you awful, bitter people; delighting in the trouble you cause.   All you serve to teach us in this thread is that you are not nice people and are both mentally disturbed.  Usually stems from childhood and upbringing.

Hey, you didn't say anything about winding people up! I am disappointed now. :/

A familiar pattern around here is the ones who don't contribute anything to FF7 are the same ones who go round trolling.  Always stuck in this section bringing up as many things as possible to get a reaction.  It is sad...  but not surprising that Kud is a regular over at 4chan.  :mrgreen:

So, contributing something to FF8 doesn't qualify? Drats, I knew I picked the wrong game. :|

The whole point of the statistical slant was to show that people who quote "Planes are the safest" are basing it on dodgy stats; parroting the propaganda and brainwashing that is peddled by the media and aviation, and that a fairer stat is the deaths by JOURNEY NUMBER.  I don't think anyone here feels safer knowing that they are more likely to die in a plane by journey number and instead think "oh well, by miles travelled I am...so...I will just think of happy thoughts.  It's gonna be a goooooood day.".  That would be crazy.  The reason the aviation use that stat is because it looks good (honestly, that's obvious).  The reason the insurers use the death by journey number is because it is a more faithful statistic.  Yes I said more faithful, not perfect.

Oh, fucking Jesus H Christ; on what God-forbidden grounds can you compare two methods of transportation that are as far apart as driving and flying using number of journeys? I believe Kudi-chan explained to you earlier why it makes no sense at all. Unless, of course, you indeed fly as often as you drive. Very, very few people do that.

I would also like to add that given the choice of death, most of us would like the sharp fast death of car. If something goes wrong in a plane, generally you will be alive for a long time, in utter panic the likes of which you cannot conceive.  You are placing your life in the hands of a human operator, and hence most accidents in plane are human error related.  I am afraid that human error does exist on plane.. it doesn't just stop because the Aviation's dodgy stats say so.

Hate to tell you this, but most traffic accidents don't kill you. They, however, might leave you disabled for the rest of your life. Plane crashes on the other hand have a pretty high and nice fatality rate.

And assuming you drive on public roads, you are rather likely to encounter other drivers, not to mention cyclists and pedestrians. Who usually also tend to be people. Each and any of those can cause an accident. Most of them don't have anywhere near the training an average pilot has, or even much of a screening.

I did not manipulate any statistics, as I did not compile the stats, I merely stated them.  The fact is, kud is just trolling and I would wager in direct conversation with his buddy, the lunatic Jari.   

Sorry to disappoint, but I haven't had direct contact with Kudi-chan for quite a few months. Unlike some people who seem to use rather high-schoolish methods of rallying up a gang via PMs, I don't think I need such tactics. I can hold my own just fine without a brigade of my own. I suspect Kudi-chan feels the same way.

We are never going back to the old days so move on. 

So.... why exactly do you edit your old posts, then?

I probably shouldn't have posted that picture, but what's done is done.  However, I think you do realize your bias and just want an argument.

But do you and SL realize your bias?

Not that I'd be complaining, I find it rather hilarious, being a big fan of hypocrites and all. I'm just curious whether it's intentional or not - because it is there.

Or he's trying to keep order in the forum that no longer needs, or wants you.  Sorry you're not terribly important to us, must have you questioning your self worth, considering you keep coming back.

I find this amusing, given the fact that you yourself said that you'd leave the forums a few weeks ago and said that you aren't important.

Then changed your mind five minutes later.

Mako talked me into staying, don't think it's of free will.

Oh, it's not free will?

Did she tie you up and prevent you from deleting your account?

 

[DLPB_]

Not long ago, you were vehemently arguing that planes were more dangerous than cars.
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Several times I reinforced the statement that "at best" planes are "no more safe" and I said "They definitely are not the safest [overall]"

You should keep up.  I retracted the implication that "cars are definitely safer", as that was never really my problem.  My problem is that the aviation authority parrots the "safest" and so do people brainwashed into believing it.  There is nothing left to say on this.  I have made it clear.

Also, depending on which set of official stats you use (3 are compiled and I sent them), you get vastly different outcomes.  I personally believe death by journey number is fairer and so do aviation insurers.

You can try to prolong this if you wish, but there is nothing left to prolong, only your trolling. Have fun!

 

[Bosola]

I personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.

On a serious note, why doesn't this board have an ignore function?

 

[DLPB_]

I personally wish there were some way for people to go to their profile, click on the "ignore board options" link, tick the "completely unrelated" box and change their profile. Then they wouldn't have to see anything they didn't want to see.

On a serious note, why doesn't this board have an ignore function?

It does doesn't it?