WEIRD FF8 ENDING?

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Hi, guys!  I liked FF8 a lot and I played the entired game a couple of times.  There are just things that I don't understand, especially the ending:
1.What's the point of Squall visiting the old stone house and talk to Edea.
2.How come Edea didn't know who Squall was?
3.After talking to Edea, Edea said that the future squall shouldn't be there and squall left.  That mean the past has changed, but if the past has changed, basically Ultimecia didn't exist.  If she doesn't exist...Why would Irvine, Selphie, and all of them get together at a party again?  How do they meet?
4.Why did Squall see weird events around Rinoa?  What's the point of it?
I hope someone can answer these for me.  Thanks.
 
ok these should really be self-explanatory, oh well:
1. squall didnt remember, he just arrived there by chance/destiny, his arrival in the past triggered the making of seed by edea.
2. she did relise who it was, thats why she told him to leave-said something about only one squall should be here.
3.that ultimecia was from the future, she hadnt died yet (she had to pass on her powers to die properly) so edea took her powers, and became a sorceress. the guys party because they are in their time (i think) and the world is saved from ultimecia.
4. the point was that he had forgotten who rinoa was, and forgot his promise to rinoa (about going to the flower fields) so thats why rinoa appeard to vanish from squalls memory...
 
? #2 There was little squall if you remember... and thats what she was talking about. She said only 1 should be here and that was Squall in the beginning when he was little ( THE PAST ) He finds his way back to his time.. but Ultimecia passes her powers to edea in the past.. thats how edea becomes a sorceress in the first place.. i think.. and thats why ultimecia lives without time.. until you crush her guts out  :) LoL
 
Edea acually became a sorceress at a young age.  Edea told Squall that she "became a sorceress twice" and that "the second time, that sorceress was a threat to her children."At the end, you find out 'that sorceress' was Ultimecia.
 
Man....I remember writing about this in the Eidos forum.....unfortunately for me...it's been erased.....maybe another time I'll write about the ending again.............I'm probably gonna spell the names wrong........

To put it short....Squall lost hope. He kept on seeing Rinoa's death.....You have to understand that the group was traveling through time. They found the castle because they were all lead to it...and their bond to each other kept them from being absorbed/disappearing....After they defeated the Sorceress, they had to focus on their own timeline. Everyone didn't have a problem doing this....except for Squall. He was troubled with Ellone's disappearance when he was young....and he went to that timeline instead.....Apparently the Sorceress was following, Squall through the time travel. Edea recieves the dying Sorceress'powers, and becomes one of the most powerful Sorceress of that timeline, the only other equal would be Adel. Perhapse this is why Ultimecia could munipulate Edea and later Rinoa, so easily....her powers flowed through both of them....a loop of sorts...If Ultimecia's powers stayed in the future...none of this would have happened. I know what your thinging....Adel was controlled by Ultimecia, too. Well, I don't think she really was. I think Adel knew exactly what was going on. whereas Edea and Rinoa had no idea that they were being controlled. Besides, Adel wouldn't have been released if Edea and Rinoa weren't under Ultimecia's control, first.

Edea tell Squall that he doesn't belong in this timeframe and sends him back to the, "end of time" . He then focuses on Rinoa....but he can't remember her face....it's slipping....he's slipping....falling deeper and deeper....he finally recalls her face....her beauty.....then the helmet cracks......PANIC!!!.....she's Gone!....DEAD!!!!......She has to be!!!.......all hope is lost.....Squall is lost....Rinoa is a sorceress......she uses a magical feather....a feather of Angels.... The feather guides Rinoa to Squall.....when Squall opens his eyes he sees Rinoa's face.... anyway....he immediately remembers his promise; and they end up in that field of flowers.....Squall brought them back to the correct Timeline and to that field....Rinoa didn't have to help him...she just had to revive his hope. And that happens when Squall sees that she is alive.Ok...Ok... maybe that wasn't so short.....I just could stop typing......

BTW: Edea was a sorceress before Ultimecia gave-up her powers....it's even clauseable to say that Edea took Ultimecia's powers...Edea had received the powers of a sorceress when she was young....she's says this in the game. I have a feeling that because of this small amount of power that was given to her, when she was young. Edea was able to take Ultimecia's powers away from her whether Ultimecia willed it or not. But this isn't supported in the game...it's just a conclusion I came up with......
[This message has been edited by Threesixty (edited January 18, 2001).]
 
Very well stated.. I think that covers everything.. but was there any significance to griever? (Squalls Ring) Besides the odvious i mean does anyone have any other ideas.. sides maybe Squall had to face himself sorta thing.
 
Cool.  Thanks.  But everyone's misunderstanding me, I think.  My biggest question is:
when squall travels back to his childhood to see Edea, Ultimecia passes her powers to Edea.  But then Ultimecia is dead.  So the past has changed.  Later squall gets back to his own timeline.  But the problem is the past has already changed, Ultimecia is dead, not in the future anymore.  Why would all of them (squall, irvine, rinoa, selphie) all have a party together?  After all, it is all the problems caused by Ultimecia that brought them all together (especially Rinoa and squall).  If the past has changed, then how the heck do they all meet together again?  It doesn't make sense to me.
 
Ultimecia...isn't born yet.....you can't change fate..... When Squall's World (Timeline) reaches Ultimecia's World (Timeline), without any time traveling, through Normal passing of time, Ultimecia will do exactly the same thing. It's almost as if all forms of time are moving along at the same time. If you focus on Squall's Timeline, Ultimecia is born in the future and dies in the past. It's a time loop. After Squall defeats Ultimecia, in her timeline......., optimisticly time will then continue on. Pestimisticly, Time will Loop forever. Almost like that movie, "Ground Hog's Day."
(I know time was really compressed, but it's easier, for me, to explaining it this way.)I suggest you play the game, "The Longest Journey". It gives a lot of insight to this type of thinking. And does a very good job of it too. Very good Story in that game.

Don't think to hard about time travel and it's consequences.....answering the meaning of life would be easier.

Too many theories...and the only proof is our imaginations.

Think about, Dragon Ball Z's Android sega. It shows that there are many different timelines and traveling to one of them may not be your original timeline.....but an alternative one. The series calles, "Sliders" is another example of this.Lots of Sci-Fi shows do consequences theory...A Pardox....Kill your grandfather and you will cease to exist....change the past and you won't remember you real past, only the alternative one.

There is a very fine line between fate and a pardox.....I think FF8 is more about fate. You can't change fate no matter what you do. It was Squalls fate to kill Ultimecia, and Edea's fate to absorb Ultimecia's powers. The circle had to be completed.


[This message has been edited by Threesixty (edited January 18, 2001).]
 
waht puzzles me is that WTF does he see rinoa like in a shadow type thing htat is weird and what is up wiht hte ending anyway it is completly wierd
 
1. He came there by luck (btw, remember the begining!!)
2. When?
3. Awwww... You didn't pay attention playing the game... Well.. Ultimecia is from the future, and Edea from the past. Squall & others are in the 'middle', and there is a time compression that puts the past, present and future togheter. When they kill Ultimecia (as I think) the results of ze time kompression are going backwards (or sumthin)...
4. He CAN'T remember who she is.. Again, remember the begining!It is not HIS fault he ended up there..Ultimecia is the future.. She is 'not yet'..
Why they meet? The time kompression ends?
 
Cool discussion.  I see that some of the things are confusing.  Some of the people who tried to answer even don't know what they are talking about.  Well, good luck, RC.BTW, anyone know when FF9 PC is coming out?  Or is it ever going to be made?
 
For your FF9PC question. Lots of speculation both ways, but nothing concrete. Square has said in an email, that they "have no plans for at this time" for FF9PC. General consensus seems to be that FF9PC is unlikely to happen.
 
i dont think ff9 is gonna happen at all.
that square soft team has lost its appetite.
or is it the fact that the style may not attract the regular PC gamer?
check this link: [url="<a]http://squaregamer.com/news/items/0,0411,180321,00.shtml[/url]" TARGET=_blank>http://squaregamer.com/news/items/0,0411,180321,00.shtml
tells you everything, ff9 may not exist on the PC  :(
 
Hasn't anyone ever heard of the term "Paradox"? Or perhaps you should watch Stargate for clues to what cannot happen, then extrapolate from there to the possible happenings.
 
Agreed.  FF8 *is* about fate.  Ellone gives the most telling clue... she learned that no matter how much she tried, she couldn't change the past with her power.  She was merely fulfilling what had happened.What some people don't realise is that it is not because Edea absorbed Ultimecia's powers that she became a pawn of Ultimecia.  The true reason is the Ellone Machine... that is, Ultimecia sent herself back in time in much the same way Squall was sent back into Laguna.  This is the exact reason why Squall gets to see Ultimecia when Ellone sends him into Rinoa while they're in space.

Overall, if you think too much about FF8, it's a depressing turn of events; everything is prophesised.  You can't change the past... but because of that... you can't change the future either.  All you can do is live.

Don't think about that too much though.  It *is* a depressing fact, but humans have shown great capacity to ignore the horrible truth and cling to their own securities.  That's how most people survive.
 
Didn't Ellone tell Squall that he didn't need her (Ellone's) help, after all? That he did it all by himself, when Rinoa was floating in space. Rinoa is a sorceress at this point in the game....so it's possible that she could read Squalls thoughts and hit the Reserve Air Release....or she was reaching for her rings and hit the button by accident. I don't remember Squall seeing Ultimecia in Space.And there is no paradox if there is no future. We are following Squalls Timeline, not Ultimecia's. Ultimecia's Timeline has the parodox.......but to Squall's there is no future....no fate after Ultimecia's defeat....everything is a new beginning, from there on forth....the past is still the past and can't be changed.

(You can really warp the Time Machine/paradox, Theories anyway you like....   :) There is no way to prove any of them...and uhh, if this conflicts with my old post, you'll have to forgive me...I wrote that quite some time ago...I doubt that it's in conflict, though. Back to the Future III, anyone?)


[This message has been edited by Threesixty (edited April 04, 2001).]
 
"The past is still the past and can't be changed."  That much is true.  But introduce time travel, and if the above statement is still true, then you also get another true statement: "The future is still the future and can't be changed."Why?  Ultimecia started a lot of this by time travelling to *HER* past.  A past that she cannot change.  Thus, nothing she does is going to make a difference.

From that, we also extrapolate that nothing Squall does is going to make a difference either.

There is no paradox.  Ultimecia is born, lives, and dies with no problems.  We can't even be sure that Ultimecia's power is in an eternal loop, because it's possible that Ultimecia never inherits the power Edea gave to Rinoa who will give to the sorceress to come after her.

Of course, this does mean that between Squall's timeline and Ultimecia's timeline we likely have double the Sorceress power floating about, but that's more logical than a power that has no origin but itself.

Really, there's actually very few things that loop in FF8.  The main thing that loops eternally is the idea of SeeD.  That's an idea that fate took care of... it *HAS* no origin.  There is no before to it.
 
Oh, and as for seeing Ultimecia in space... Squall doesn't.  He sees Ultimecia while Ellone has sent him *into* Rinoa.  You *do* recall that little scene before he jumps out in a spacesuit to save Rinoa?  The scene where you finally get to see Ultimecia for the first time?
 
hmm, was that a reserve air button? i just thought cos she was a sorceress now she DIDNT need oxygen so she just opened the helemt thingy  :D
 
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