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B U I L D W A L L, please keep namecalling out of it. The only reason this thread isn't closed is because the discourse has remained civil. Calling someone a "cuck" (or any other namecalling, really) is not acceptable behavior on this forum. ~Covarr
 
And what a disaster for the EU countries if it does.  They've been pushing for this for ages.  Turkey brings very little benefit for ordinary people of the EU - but it does bring mass migration.  It's also one of the reasons we voted Leave.
Maybe those developments could of been a trigger for ISIS attacking Turkey last night too (I was in an airport at same time it happened, glad it wasn't something global!). I think thats the first time ISIS have attacked Turkey.
 
Maybe those developments could of been a trigger for ISIS attacking Turkey last night too (I was in an airport at same time it happened, glad it wasn't something global!). I think thats the first time ISIS have attacked Turkey.
Sadly, it isn't.  There have been a lot of incidents there but it hardly gets reported in the West.
 
Basically, you are an antisemite.
Rhetoric != Dialectic

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Perhaps this thread is the place for it, after-all.  Since that also seems to curry favour with the far left.
Butthurt doesn't make for effective dialectic, fam.

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I hope I am not correct in thinking that you also consider the Holocaust to be a myth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

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It's a shame, too, because we need people like you to fight against the tyranny of Islam, but this anti-Jew rhetoric is a liability and makes things ten times worse. It pushes people away from the debating table and makes my side of the debate look like it's dominated by rabid racists out to preserve the world for White Guy.  As I have said repeatedly, it isn't Jews or any other group slaughtering people all over the world and spreading Sharia Law like Tyrion Lannister does Wild Fire.
Have you ever argued in real life?  No one likes a pussball.  Trump didn't win the nomination by being a nice guy; he won by bullyciding Jeb Bush and being a controversial asshole, but one who always told the truth.  If you can find it within yourself (hint: check beneath your penis) to be bold, it will help you win arguments and respect.  Who cares if someone calls you a fascist, a Nazi, or a racist?  If you're conservative, they're going to treat you like one anyway.  You may as well do whatever you want and have fun while you're at it, or at least tear a hole in their ass when they try to take you down.

As I noted in the links I posted exclusively to Jewish produced and owned websites and media earlier which you really, really don't want to acknowledge for some strange reason, these things don't really matter.  Anything which is not pro-European will eventually become anti-European.  If you let in one special group of non-European people because they aren't as destructive as another group, eventually this group of people will want to bring in a worse ethnic group so you won't kick them out.

Look at it like this.  Men in Asian countries HATE European men because their women prefer to date European men over Asian men.  Weaboos and losers abuse this to date women who are far, far beyond anything they would ever get in their home countries.  Should Asians continue to let in unlimited numbers of Europeans and European men simply because European men aren't blowing themselves up and beheading people like Muslims are?

Of course not.  European people and European men may not be evil, bad, or particularly destructive, but they are doing real harm to an entire generation of young Asian men (and to the Asian women who end up birthing future spree-shooters with European guys that probably shouldn't be allowed to breed).

Any Asian man who is okay with this either has some skin in the game - he profits from it somehow, possibly by owning a "karoke bar" - or he has abandoned the ideals and best interests of his people.  It's one step from abandoning your people to advocating for the opposition.

The term "cuckservative" is defined as "someone who identifies as a conservative while holding liberal ideals dearer than conservative ideals."

Calling someone a cuck is simply a rhetorical flourish on a logical argument, and one which dramatically improves its effectiveness given that I got a warning for using it.  But it really means something else entirely.  What does it mean?  What is another word for cuck or cuckservative?

Traitor.

But of course I would have no need to use such rhetorical devices (which actually contain truth) if you would look at the links (from Jewish-owned and operated media, no less) I posted and provide some sort of explanation for them.  It would make you look less insecure, mentally unbalanced, or blind to our audience if you could come up with a reason for why these things exist.

The Catholic church and other religious people are already doing that in Britain - so they'll have to get in line.

https://ctbi.org.uk/how-the-churches-are-responding-to-the-refugee-crisis/
http://rcdow.org.uk/news/london-churches-prepare-to-welcome-refugees/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34220258

The biggest reason we have a soaring Muslim population (and immigrant population in general) - that's only going to get worse - is the poor leftist education system, traitorous politicians that line their own pockets, and useful idiots, like the ones mentioned above. It isn't some Jewish conspiracy. I don't need to go looking for a scapegoat when I can just talk to my own deluded family (non Jewish), their friends (non Jewish), my friends (non Jewish), and listen to the MPs and celebrities (largely non Jewish) of Britain.  That's reality - not a hocus pocus cauldron of blame to one section of society. Note, I am even blaming MY OWN FAMILY for contributing to this.

If I were going to look for a scapegoat, I'd have to start with the Christian denominations who welcome dangerous people into the country with open arms (and like in Sweden, state that it's a great thing).  But, see, that's where logic kicks in for me... I don't see a big behind the scenes scheme, I see a bunch of silly, naive people, who have no logic but honourable intentions.  Like my own family. Because that's reality.  There is no scheme.  There are just dumb people, naive people, and devious politicians that want to further their leftie self-hating cause.

All you need to do is go online and look at the people holding up "Refugees welcome" placards.  Most of these people are ordinary citizens. So why should I blame the Jews for it?  If your logic were applied, I'd actually have to believe that most people I know are secret Jews.
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That European people do it too doesn't mean that Jewish people don't also do it, and at disproportionate rates compared to European people.  European people seem to have a sort of pathological altruism, wherein they project their own psychological proclivities onto other groups of people that evolved in radically different environments.  My people are very trusting of others, to a fault; I'm not surprised that they would adopt the attitudes that benefit non-Europeans at the expense of Europeans.

The real question is, where do these beliefs come from?  Who is putting this stuff out there?  And what exactly are the beliefs that make a person advocate against their own ethnic group?

Exhibit A: Tim Wise

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Like_Me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Wise

Ctrl + f "Jew"

Wise was born in Nashville, Tennessee, to Michael Julius Wise and LuCinda Anne (née McLean) Wise. His paternal grandfather was Jewish (of Russian origin), while the rest of his ancestry is northern European, including some Scottish. Wise has said that when he was about 12 years old his synagogue was attacked by white supremacists. Wise attended public schools in Nashville, graduating from Hillsboro High School in 1986. In high school he was student body vice-president and a member of one of the top high school debate teams in the United States. Wise attended college at Tulane University in New Orleans and received his B.A. there, with a major in Political Science and a minor in Latin American Studies. While a student, he was a leader in the campus anti-apartheid movement, which sought to force Tulane to divest from companies still doing business with the government of South Africa. His anti-apartheid activism was first brought to national attention in 1988, when South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu announced he would turn down an offer of an honorary degree from Tulane after Wise's group informed him of the school's ongoing investments there.
Wow man, how weird!  Here we have a Jewish man who writes books and is paid to give speeches to 18 year old freshman at universities about how he is ashamed of all the evil things that people who are "White" like him did.

Hmmm, but that's only one man.  Let's see what's floating at the Times of Israel:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

Oy vey!

But surely there must be at least one person who hates White people that isn't Jewish!  What about Susan Sontag?  She once said this:
"The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al., don't redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone — its ideologies and inventions — which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself."
http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-122804sontag_lat-story.html

That's about as anti-European as it gets!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Sontag
Ctrl + f "Jew":
Sontag was born Susan Rosenblatt in New York City, the daughter of Mildred (née Jacobson) and Jack Rosenblatt, both Jews of Lithuanian and Polish descent.
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How exactly is it scapegoating WHEN THEY FUCKING DO IT?  Is it scapegoating when I blame black people for committing a disproportionate amount of crime WHEN THEY COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF CRIME?

Does the definition of scapegoating change when it suits you?

I have a proposition.  You find me a liberal that is vehemently opposed to the mere existence of ethnically European people and who claims to be White.  I will prove that this person is Jewish, involved with Jewish people, or a complete and utter degenerate who deserves to be deported as much as the most violent Muslim invader.

Or you could just ignore my rational arguments, call me a conspiracy theorist, and then have the gall, the utter hypocrisy to claim that I am trolling when you have not made a single rational argument to rebut my claims.  One of us is trolling, but it isn't me.

Then that's another thing we disagree on.  I care about all people. I don't think we should interfere with these places, because we end up getting another Iraq/Afgan.  But I do care.  You could just have easily been born there. They are humans, not "other people". They are as much a victim of Islam as we are.
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If I was born there, then I would have an entirely different genetic makeup, which would make me very unlike what I am now.  In fact if I was born there I would probably want to kill Westerners because the guys who preach to me every day say so.

Instead of spending trillions of dollars in outreach to make everyone like us - what Justin Trudeau apparently wants - I say that we use this amazing technological innovation called a WALL and that we physically remove people who are not like us to their homelands.  Weird, I know, and there are very few instances in history were having a big beautiful wall between you and people who want to kill you has ever helped anyone, but I want to give it a try.  Somehow, I have a feeling it will work.

Besides that, how do you propose we police them and stop them from killing each other?  Should we only import the gay Muslims?  Wait, maybe you want us to invade them and slaughter our sons and brothers so their gays can have unprotected group sex with each other?  That sounds like the most conservative thought of all time, surely it will be a hit with John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Paul Ryan.

This is more evidence that you really are more of a liberal than a conservative.  If I go to a feed store or a barber shop and ask the farmers and old men there if they are conservative and their opinions on Muslim immigrants, none of them give a flying fuck about Muslims - even gay ones.  The only conservatives I've ever met that care about people from outside their nations are:
1. Women
2. Non-Europeans
3. Politicians who expect cushy lobbying jobs when they finally lose an election

More than that, it's honestly kind of racist that you think that Muslims are so lacking in agency that they need a European there to babysit them.  I mean, why can't they take care of themselves and build nice countries where they want to live?  Is it institutional racism, fam?  Hmm, maybe it's our unexamined Huwyte privilege?

The ultimate conspiracy theory. It does the rounds an awful lot, although it's the first time I have been accused of being part of the evil and all-seeing organization that's out to get you.

There is another explanation - and I have given it to you in this post.  I don't suppose that it will change your mind, because you're already sure that the world is made up of powerful all-seeing Jewish overlords that are in control of everything - and actually plot their own destruction. It really is possible to have an opinion contrary to yours without being part of the grand conspiracy you think exists.  But I am not even sure yet if you are a troll or not.
So it's a conspiracy theory to assume that someone who apparently cares more about other ethnic groups than the one he claims to be may not telling the truth?  I mean, when have Jewish people ever done that?

TBH fam it don't matter if you're really ethnic European or not.  The end result of not advocating 100% for your own people is always the same.

One last thing: I noticed that you never actually said that you're not Jewish.  Technically, you haven't answered me yet.  No pressure!  Don't be concerned how your inability to answer this simple question makes your arguments look.
 
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Haha, obvious antisemite is obvious.  Using your language. You didn't even have the decency to admit that you think the holocaust is a hoax.

And, no, I am not Jewish; I would have thought that absolutely obvious by my posts. I was raised Roman Catholic but now realize what a load of old horseradish all religion is (although your opposition to Jews is not just Judaism but the people itself). I am an agnostic at worst and an atheist at best.
 
Haha, obvious antisemite is obvious.  Using your language. You didn't even have the decency to admit that you think the holocaust is a hoax.
I actually haven't researched the Holocaust yet, so I can't say anything either way.  And I prefer to think of myself as counter-semetic.

And, no, I am not Jewish; I would have thought that absolutely obvious by my posts. I was raised Roman Catholic but now realize what a load of old horseradish all religion is (although your opposition to Jews is not just Judaism but the people itself). I am an agnostic at worst and an atheist at best.
There, isn't that better?  How easy was that?

My opposition is mostly to them not policing their assholes the same way we do ours.  If one of our people murders someone, we kick that person out.  One of theirs murders someone, they close ranks and start crying about the Holocaust.

Case in point: Jewish Rabbi's bodyguard driving drunk, kills 1 boy and injures his sister when he runs a redlight.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/21/n...-clashes-in-crown-heights.html?pagewanted=all

There's a really great play by a black lady about it.  Forgot what it's called.  She's an amazing actor and play-write.
 
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As easy as exposing your antisemitism :P

I actually haven't researched the Holocaust yet, so I can't say anything either way.
I don't believe that cop out for a second.

Also, don't bother editing your posts (I see you have a habit of it) - I back up all arguments like this.
 
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As easy as exposing your antisemitism :P
C O U N T E R - S E M I T I S M

I don't believe that cop out for a second.
I seriously haven't researched it exhaustively.  All I have to go on is what other guys in my circle say, and while I trust them I always research it myself.

Also, don't bother editing your posts (I see you have a habit of it) - I back up all arguments like this.
All of my edits are grammar, punctuation, dead-meme links, or additive.  I wouldn't do that to you, man.  Arguments are sacred. /autism
 
Yeah, that was due to some kid who wanted to dox me.  I banned him from my forums (and later deleted my forums and all my hacking info) because he wouldn't leave me alone.

It's a long story.
 
It's a long nose.
This was before I became race-aware.  He was Ukranian, but he was a degenerate NEET loser.  I don't think he was Jewish, so no long nose.
 
Ah, that makes more sense.

But yeah, totally not going to give you his contact info to verify it.  I hate that little fuck.

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On the subject of counter-semitism:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/2...up-against-ignorant-masses-trump-2016-brexit/

It’s Time for the Elites to Rise Up Against the Ignorant Masses
By James Traub




Ivory Tower Intrigues
The pseudo-meritocracy of the Ivy League.
By James Traub

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2005/10/ivory_tower_intrigues.html

t turns out, ironically enough from the point of view of my family trajectory, that the admissions systems at the Big Three were built expressly to keep out people like my father—smart, driven Jewish kids from gigantic New York City public high schools.



tl;dr

We can't let European people have democracy if they don't vote how we want!
 
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I am not a racist and don't think of myself as "anti-black", I'm "counter-black". There's a difference, I promise. (sarcasm)
 
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That's a false equivalency to what he said. He wasn't making any argument for or against black people or black crime.
 
I guess facts are racist, mane.
I was just having a bit of fun.  ;D

It may seem contradictory that I have a problem with Islam and not with other religious groups or or people of another ethnicity, but I have sound reasoning I think. The difference is not only that Islam has such a high murder rate compared to any other religion in modern times, but also because in the teachings of Muhammad himself it is okay to murder others for various reasons. It is a fairly easy root cause analysis of the violence Islam commits on a daily basis.

High murder rates in a particular culture must be linked to something tangible, like a violent doctrine they follow or something. At that point, I can agree that there is an issue with said group. However, the color of your skin has always been and always will be irrelevant to the sane and logical person.

I don't deny that there are high murder rates among black Americans in America (because there definitely is), but I would not say black people are inherently violent like Islam is. There is definitely something in the culture of black people in high crime areas that is causing the behavior (I suspect it has something to do with the government, welfare in particular, in addition to an irrational tradition of not integrating into "white" society stemming from a rational fear of racists pre-civil rights movement).
 
It may seem contradictory that I have a problem with Islam and not with other religious groups or or people of another ethnicity, but I have sound reasoning I think. The difference is not only that Islam has such a high murder rate compared to any other religion in modern times, but also because in the teachings of Muhammad himself it is okay to murder others for various reasons. It is a fairly easy root cause analysis of the violence Islam commits on a daily basis.

High murder rates in a particular culture must be linked to something tangible, like a violent doctrine they follow or something. At that point, I can agree that there is an issue with said group. However, the color of your skin has always been and always will be irrelevant to the sane and logical person.

I don't deny that there are high murder rates among black Americans in America (because there definitely is), but I would not say black people are inherently violent like Islam is. There is definitely something in the culture of black people in high crime areas that is causing the behavior (I suspect it has something to do with the government, welfare in particular, in addition to an irrational tradition of not integrating into "white" society stemming from a rational fear of racists pre-civil rights movement).
This is not about skin color (though skin color is a correlating factor since it follows a similar evolutionary path as other traits in response to certain evolutionary pressures, which will be explained soon).  It is about intelligence and behavior, both of which are highly heritable.

Behavior is highly heritable and can change quickly over several generations.  To support this I submit the Russian fox breeding experiments.

http://cbsu.tc.cornell.edu/ccgr/behaviour/history.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Domesticated_Red_Fox

Consider the environment in which Europeans (and to a similar degree north-east Asians) evolved.  There are mountain ranges which separate north-central Europe from the Mediterranean.  In an ice age, these mountains would be covered in glaciers and impassable.  Thus any populations north of them in lower elevations would be genetically isolated from much of the rest of Europe, Asia, and Africa.

One characteristic of European winters during the last ice age was winters which could sometimes last up to 6 months long.  This had a eugenic effect.  It killed off the dumbest individuals (especially the dumbest men), and it forced people to cooperate to survive.  Those who couldn't cooperate would jeopardize the survival of the family, tribe, or clan, and would presumably be killed by their relatives.

Homo Sapiens also interbred with the local Neanderthals, who had slightly larger brain cavities than our species and had been in the environment longer than we had (which means they were likely to have alleles that enabled them to survive in that environment, such as increased intelligence).

In time you ended up with a localized subspecies that was more intelligent than their ancestors and more socially cohesive.  You can still see this social cohesion in how quickly white people ostracize those who violate their collective norms, whether they are liberal or conservative.  Before anyone argues, liberals and conservatives have very different norms and what counts as violation will vary between them.

In Africa food is abundant and there were never extreme winters as there were in Europe and large parts of Asia.  With no evolutionary pressure to kill the least intelligent and essentially unlimited food (to the hunter-gatherer, that is), survival became a matter of competing with other individuals to reproduce as quickly and as much as possible.  You can compare this to the reproduction strategy that a resource-limited (warmth, food, light) population in Europe was forced to evolve, where children were valued and the murder of a child was a capital offense in pre-Christian times.

In Africa, to reproduce the most you must compete, and to compete effectively you must be violent.  There are numerous histories of tribes conquering other tribes, where they exterminated the men and enslaved the women and children.  The Zulu invaded and exterminated tribes in what is now South Africa within the last 400 years, so this has been going on for tens of thousands of years.

This seems to be the same case in other areas.  In the Americas the Aztecs practiced mass human sacrifice, but the tribes to the north of the Rio Grande - where water and arable land was scarce, and they had to be intelligent and socially cohesive to survive - would routinely defeat Aztec invaders from what is now Mexico.  Unfortunately the native Americans suffered from weak immune systems as they were isolated from the rest of the world, and introduction of things like tuberculous (which came from migrating seals, of all things) and other pathogens exterminated much of the population north of the Rio Grande... though that's not to say that they were all nice guys and noble savages.

Behavior is heritable.  People of African ancestry commit a disproportionate amount of crimes because they evolved in an environment where violence was a successful reproductive strategy, and because there was little selection pressure against low intelligence.  Does this mean they are subhuman and that they lack emotions and should be exterminated?  Of course not.  It simply means that they can't function in a society where following the rules, displaying low time-preference, and regularly making rational and informed decisions is taken for granted.

What you do from there is up to you.  Do you want to change your entire society to accommodate them?  Do you want to repatriate them to Africa?  Do you want to embark on a eugenics program to weed out the dumbest among them (pay them $300 to be sterilized, because anyone dumb enough to do that is probably not someone you want to reproduce), while rewarding the most intelligent to reproduce (subsidized housing, subsidized education, basically what we already offer African Americans)?

Like I said, this isn't about skin color.  It's about intelligence and behavior.  I've never had a problem with African Americans who have average IQs above about 95, which is roughly the minimum to function in modern society.




The problem with Muslims is the incentive structure their religion imposes on them, and the genetic consequences of those incentives.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4196914/
Estimating the Inbreeding Depression on Cognitive Behavior: A Population Based Study of Child Cohort, by Mohd Fareed and Mohammed Afzal.  Marriage between first cousins causes about a 13 point drop in IQ.  Note that cousin marriage is allowed in Islam.




I don't have time to continue effortposting, so here is my current up-to-date collection of hatefacts.  The latest batch isn't annotated yet, peruse at your discretion.

http://pastebin.com/tpH7NEr0
 
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For someone who "doesn't know if the holocaust actually happened", you seem to "know" a lot about primitive humans before civilization.  :-P

The key difference between you and I seems to be that you believe genetics have the predominant role in human behavior, and I argue that not only are humans spontaneous in their behavior (much more than any animal ever will be), but also that culture and tradition has a much greater impact than genetics do.

For instance, men have more testosterone than women so they tend to be more violent. This would seem to be an observation that would lend credence to your argument. So then what should women do to force men to behave more peacefully?

The problem I have is that I have an abnormal amount of testosterone compared to most men (I looked like a yeti since like 6th grade), and yet I am one of the least violent people I know. Humans still have the cognitive ability to refuse to act on animalistic urges and tendencies (yes, even those with very low IQ's).

I admire the effort you put into your posts, and I commend you for being civil while discussing issues that could easily become heated and emotional. That being said, your viewpoints are definitely racist even if they are not meant to inflict harm on other races, just with the justification that you believe evolution and modern science support you. And in a way they do, but I think you have lost sight of the fact that humans are NOT animals, and so using studies of animals to understand human behavior is insufficient.

Humans have so much more to them than animals do that no scientist alive today or that has ever been alive can fully comprehend. If you keep trying to categorize people by their evolutionary history, your models will always be demonstratively lacking. Humans will always surprise you with their unpredictability. I guarantee it.
 
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