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For curiosity's sake, who in your opinion would have been the right people for taking the lead of this project? Sakagushi?
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I have given your question some more thought. I think the answer is - NONE of the staff are the right person for the job in terms of story.  In order for a game like FF7 to have optimal game play and story it needs both game designers AND a professional writer.  Someone who understands storytelling far better than your average game designer does.  It stands to reason.  I'd be happy with someone who even knew the basics, but Advent Children / Dirge / Crisis Core / Before Crisis prove the current crop are NOT it.  I am not lying when I say I could do a better job with the story than they did with those and that's unacceptable.
 
I think the answer is - NONE of the staff are the right person for the job in terms of story.
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Given they're actually the same people as the original writers, I'm left to wonder: would you consider the writing and narration of the original game to have been the result of a very fortunate accident?
 
It looks like it already has gone back down, it seems hard to judge on a day to day basis. I know extremely little about finances, but I find it interesting that their shares has considerably increased during the past year, and quite progressively at that. It rather looks like it would correlate information/media release for FF XV.
 
Given they're actually the same people as the original writers, I'm left to wonder: would you consider the writing and narration of the original game to have been the result of a very fortunate accident?
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I think that it was a combination of them spending a lot more time on it, having more passion for it, and being limited by the system itself. Art from adversity.  Perhaps they are good enough but they just don'[t care anymore.  But for whatever reason, their endeavours after FFX have been poor to say the least.  I guess it couldn't have been a fluke given that I really think FF8-10 had some real effort placed in and were certainly not mediocre (well, FF8's plot went out of the window near the end, and FF9's wasn't really THAT good).  But everything after has been.

Perhaps what I have been saying for a long time is true - that the new systems allowing so much data and power have ended up taking away time and effort that used to be channeled into the story and game play.
 
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Yeah, with all the different opinions I've read regarding the remake across the internet, I am starting to think that the smart thing for Squarenix to do sould be to come out with "Final Fantasy VII Remake Maker". So you can get it just right for what you want out of it! :P
 
Given they're actually the same people as the original writers, I'm left to wonder: would you consider the writing and narration of the original game to have been the result of a very fortunate accident?
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In the case of FF it's hardly the 1st time a creative "band" have lost their creative flair. Think of a The Sixth Sense remake. Or a Master of Puppets Remake. Or a Star Wars remake. By the same people respectively. Would I trust that they would pull it off? Not impossible, but given their latest work, being sceptical is not irrational here. It may very well be the most rational position to have in all these cases.

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In the case of FF it's hardly the 1st time a creative "band" have lost their creative flair. Think of a The Sixth Sense remake. Or a Master of Puppets Remake. Or a Star Wars remake. By the same people respectively. Would I trust that they would pull it off? Not impossible, but given their latest work, being sceptical is not irrational here. It may very well be the most rational position to have in all these cases.
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You've made a very good point. I guess we would agree that George Lucas' stuff in particular symbolizes that (and I'd understand very well the skepticism in the other two cases). Still, stuff can turn out being different and good (the re-arrangements with the orchestra in S&M were pretty damn good IMO). And for good or ill, nobody is more legitimate than the original authors for remaking it.
 
I guess we would agree that George Lucas' stuff in particular symbolizes that
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Y'know, I actually wouldn't agree with this. The first film in the original trilogy was a fill-in-the-blanks of Joseph Campbell's monomyth, and the other two were mostly not Lucas' work. He had a whole bunch of people serving to keep him in check, whereas on the prequel trilogy he had a whole bunch of yes-men who wouldn't dare disagree with the Great George Lucas, praise be unto him.

It's not so much that Lucas has lost his creative flair, it's that he never had it, but the more power he has the more obvious it becomes. That said, I wonder if this might be at least in part the case with FF7 compilation. The original game was directed by Yoshinori Kitase, while everything else in the compilation has been directed by Tetsuya Nomura, relegating Kitase to far more hands-off producer roles. This, among all else, I would say is the chief cause for the drastic shift in tone between FF7 and Advent Children, a shift that ended up sticking to the rest of the compilation.
 
Y'know, I actually wouldn't agree with this. The first film in the original trilogy was a fill-in-the-blanks of Joseph Campbell's monomyth, and the other two were mostly not Lucas' work. He had a whole bunch of people serving to keep him in check, whereas on the prequel trilogy he had a whole bunch of yes-men who wouldn't dare disagree with the Great George Lucas, praise be unto him.
It's not so much that Lucas has lost his creative flair, it's that he never had it, but the more power he has the more obvious it becomes.
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Honestly, I wouldn't know. I would still tend to believe he had a major role in the successes of the earlier movies. The Indiana Jones franchise followed the same fate (all of them had the story by Lucas and the direction by Spielberg), I'm not sure he had a smaller part in his successes than he had in his failures.

That said, I wonder if this might be at least in part the case with FF7 compilation. The original game was directed by Yoshinori Kitase, while everything else in the compilation has been directed by Tetsuya Nomura, relegating Kitase to far more hands-off producer roles. This, among all else, I would say is the chief cause for the drastic shift in tone between FF7 and Advent Children, a shift that ended up sticking to the rest of the compilation.
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I am not sure that Nomura is that much to be blamed for. Fair enough, he was at the lead of Advent Children, but for the rest of the compilation (BC, CC, DoC) his role was to lay out concepts and design characters. I don't believe he had a significant part in the direction/production. In my opinion, if the story and script are to be considered, then it may rather be Nojima's responsibility.
 
Modders of the original FF7, does this affect your motivation to continue working on it?
 
Modders of the original FF7, does this affect your motivation to continue working on it?
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It reinforces it.  Because I already know this remake is going to crap all over the original and that when the nostalgia and hype have died off, the original is going to be replayed an awful lot more.
 
It reinforces it.  Because I already know this remake is going to crap all over the original and that when the nostalgia and hype have died off, the original is going to be replayed an awful lot more.
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My feelings exactly.
 
I am treating them as separate games from different eras of gaming. I am absolutely in love with the original, so I don't plan to stop being a part of the modding community for it. The only thing that could stop me is if Meteor itself comes crashing down on these forums and we lose everything (aka cease and desist).
 
The only thing that could stop me is if Meteor itself comes crashing down on these forums and we lose everything (aka cease and desist).
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That's the matter I was about to post on.

I'm wondering if a remake being out could give Square a reason to summon Meteor.
 
There is one thing I'm really happy about.  No more endless remake speculation.  No more having to read "when it is happening" or "Rumour confirmed!" "Are they remaking it?"  Every single week.  After this there will be no more remake talk.
 
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