Wow, getting super technical on our fallacies are we? Just saying: "it's not really a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy, it's actually a (Insert Fallacy)" would have sufficed. It's basically like saying, "you used the wrong word for 'there'", and then continue to breakdown the historical use of every phonetically similar word. You knew what I was meaning to say, the uncalled for lecture seems a little abrasive/defensive, or possibly a little self-congratulatory showboating. I was never asserting any type of superiority in my statement, so I'm not appreciating the condescension here. However, I'm not denying you are correct.
Absurd. How defensive can you get?
I took the time to fill out my response, because I know from experience that most people don't react well to having someone
simply assert that they're wrong about something without a reason (ironically, like you did).
I provided a reason as a courtesy, instead of being a douche about it and saying something along the lines of
"Nobody used a no true Scotsman fallacy here. You're wrong, and if you don't know your fallacies, don't use them" or something else to
that effect.
And no, I didn't know what you were saying, because by all accounts, you seemed to be erroneously using a fallacy to make a point in a way
that a lot of people do. I simply pointed that out.
The fact that you responded to my post in the way you did, seems to indicate that A.) you can't handle constructive criticism, or B.) you're projecting all this
strawberries over on me, because my reply seemed to peg you exactly for the thing that you now claim I am - "a condescending person engaged in self-congratulatory showboating".
DLPB must have read Izban's post in "bad faith" in order to assume that he was literally talking about every "real fan" was going to buy it then, no? For someone who is keen to "understand" the implications in DLPB's writing, you sure ignored what either Izban or I were "implying" in our posts. Obviously, both DLPB and Izban were making generalizations about a large portion of the actual population they were talking about. But if DLPB was clearly meaning to use a word such as "most", than Izban was as well. If DLPB read Izban's as "all" is it not fair to assume that DLPB's post written in a similar manner was intended to be "all"?
Irrelevant. I was replying to you, not to DLPB - and regardless of what DLPB may or may not have read into Izban's post, your reaction to that was senseless.
But let's play anyways -
DLPB used the word "vast majority", not "all" and so the two are therefore not comparable. Secondly, DLPB has good history on this page - he is generally reasonable - and it's therefore also reasonable to read his posts in good faith. Izban on the other hand, writes like a 13 years old from the 90's who just got his or her hands on MSN messenger, and writes barely coherent posts.
And I'm sorry that my opinions need to say "Personally," before I'm allowed to express them otherwise they are a illogical and ignorant attempts at dismissing DLPB's "facts" because neither of us know everything about everyone.
Nobody said you did. Stop strawmanning.
You said DLPB was "incorrect." That's what I reacted to, because that's not a statement of opinion.
If you think it is, you either need to learn what "opinion" means, or need to learn what "incorrect" means.
It's not possible to be "incorrect in ones opinion".
People may not have quantifiable data regarding the opinions they express, but since we are both long time fans (meaning we've talked about the game and discussed with others for years) we both have a pretty good "feeling" (personal estimation) of what that data would turn out to be.
But they are just that. They're just feelings, and they're in contradiction at that.
So is any one of you more right than the other? I don't know, neither do you, which is why it behooves people to write with a little humility.
The reason I picked on your post, is because your dismissal of DLPB (which I would have no issue with in general, because I don't agree with his statement either) was an obstinate "you're incorrect" statement based on nothing.
Did DLPB say something silly? Yeah maybe he did - you replying with something silly in turn is daft though. You're better than that.
You dismissed everything I had to say, and in a very negative way, based on the technicality of my writing, and not my overall meanings.
What was that exactly? Except for the two first lines I replied to, everything else in your post was a monologue in no way
pertaining to the post that you quoted. Why should I reply to that? I.E I didn't dismiss anything that was pertinent to the reply you made.
I was attempting to have a friendly discussion which you have nearly single-handedly ruined any enthusiasm I had for speaking on the subject here. I apologize ahead of time for anyone who feels my rebuttal here is too abrasive as well, but it's this type of posting that gives the impression that there is "correct" way of expressing opinions (apparently using "Personally," on video game "general discussion" board instead of just using common courtesy).
Get over yourself.
There is a correct way of expressing opinions, and that is as opinions. Saying people are incorrect, and then hiding behind "that's just my opinion", is BS of the third degree. It's lazy, it's condescending and it's rude as F.
Besides, if you're allowed to have "opinions" on whether people are correct or not, so am I and everybody else, so when somebody
replies to you, and takes you to task on your "incorrect opinion" and you react like you just did, you show that you're an over-emotional, entitled
and selective little person.
You don't have enthusiasm anymore? Too bad. People like you ruin my enthusiasm for associating with human beings, so I guess we're equal
in that regards.
@Izban, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was being rude or condescending; it was not my intention, and I apologize. I was merely attempting to say to DLPB that obviously just because you don't buy the game does not mean you're not a real fan, and in the same way just because you buy it does not mean you are too dense/ignorant to understand that it is a money making scheme.
If you had actually said that the first time around, I wouldn't have raised an eye-brow.
whoa gaiz.... clearly i poked a nerve.....seriously peeps not giving things a chance casting judgments before things are even shown,let alone played, thats just silly.(opinion... tiz the interwebz gaiz)
No you didn't.
And no, there is nothing silly about managing your expectations based on qualified opinions prior to the release of something.
In fact, not doing that is silly in my opinion.
If you're negative about this release now and the remake turns out great, you'll be positively surprised and the game will feel that much better for it. If it turns out bad, it will just have conformed to your expectations and you'll have lost nothing.
If you buy into the hype on the other hand, and the game turns out good, it will just be what you expected (most you'll
still be disappointed because even if it's good, it doesn't live up to the hype).
If it turns out bad, it will be a massive disappointment instead, and you'll feel like an idiot for investing all that emotion into the hype.
With me now?
