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In Czech, pudou means ground, and poudu means "throw of" ( google translate ).
But still, have a look at the edit in my previous post, that shy rear thing seems something valuable to me.
 
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There's something else, that's from French, but that would be really really silly.
In French, "pue du" means "stinks", but in a rather childish way. Like "Il pue du bec", litteraly "He stinks from his mouth".. but the authors would have had THAT in mind ? chances are slim to none if you ask me.
 
All this because there was no communication.  When MGS was made, Hideo sent Blaustein detailed documents on all names and such.
 
All this because there was no communication.  When MGS was made, Hideo sent Blaustein detailed documents on all names and such.
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Yeah that's really dumb.. But it was a different era for RPG video games, I think.
And if there were *any* chance that one of the original authors talked to you ( something that we, fans, would have deserved ) now even that unrealistic hope is dead and dead again with the annoucement of the remake.
 
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Pou doux ( pronounced pudu/ poodoo ), French for "soft louse".. That thing can be infinite.
Frankly, I think that the best you can do here is to go for the least bad and the most probable / likely, according to you, assuming like there was a mistake in the kana initially, or that we're just in front of a wall.. or just keep Pudurare or maybe Rare Pudu.. or go with anything you think is the best. Or wait for others to talk also.

And for me, the thing that rings the most bells is definitely the shy rear. I think that pudu has not to match exactly a word that means shy, for itself to be intended to be meaning shy actually ( I hope I make sense x) I struggle with English sometimes ).
If you end up opening that to votes, I'd definitely go for the timid ass thing.
 
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Unfortunately, I am resigned to the fact we will  never know the monster names that remain. Or what influenced them.

Here are the remaining red entries:

ババヴェラウミュ > Baba Veramu (Baba has to be correct, really).

シェザーシザー > Schezar Scissor (Scissor is correct)

ジェジュジェミ > Jejujemi

ジェミニスミー > Geminismy (this does match Gemini, perhaps with an ending)

キュルビヌュ > Curvinu

キュビルデュヌス > Cuvilduns

ポーランサリタ > Polansarita (Sarita is v likely correct as it means "Princess" in Hebrew.  I always though "polan" was influenced by Polar, as this enemy is a kind of snow lady)


Not bad at all.  It's also possible than the kana is incorrect (typos etc).  It wouldn't be the first time.  So keep that in mind.
 
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I've taken a look at the French retranslation project Néo-Midgar. Here is what I could gather from them about those remaining enemy names (translated into English by me on-the-go):
(and while I'm at it, I'm also going to go through all the non-dialogue text and compare your documentation with theirs (if it's available), and report anything that may be interesting to you, but that's for another post, that may take a while)

- Baba Veramu: Very likely a reference to "Baba Yaga" from the Slavic mythology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Yaga The witch's nickname is "Bone leg" and the enemy attacks with bones, and that nickname fits with the enemy's appearance. "Vera" is a character found in the myth of Baba Yaga. "mu" could then just be a suffix for the fusion of the words Baba and Vera.
(comment from me: a Polish friend of mine once told me that Baba is a kind name given to a grandmother, like grandma or granny. Here it could then be that what is meant is "Granny Vera" or something. But I think the myth of Baba Yaga is the right source)

- Schezar Scissor: Two nearly identical words (with the second one meaning Scissor) which work together as an onomatopoeia referring to the sound made by pincers. The two words are nearly identical which is often the case for Japanese onomatopoeias.
It could also be a pun with the word "Schweizer" (Swiss) and refer to the Swiss army knife.
(you know, that Swiss knife that has all kinds of blades integrated in the handle)

- Jejujemi: Likely the fusion of two words. "Jeju" could come from the jejunum, that is the central part of the small intestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jejunum and the enemy being a big caterpillar, the intestine analogy is obvious. "jemi" can come from "gemmi", which is the prefix for the word bud (maybe not in English) and caterpillars eat buds. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemmiparit%C3%A9
(that is the page from the French wiki.. here is the same page from the English wiki, and it is about "budding": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budding)
(their localisation: Jejugemmi)

- Geminismy: Gemini + "smy". Or maybe a musical reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geminism
The birth sign Gemini also represents men infidelty, and the enemy is a woman that charms men (and men only).

- Curvinu: One of the most obscure enemy names, which called for some liberty to be taken. It's likely the fusion of several words: "cu" is very likely the beginning of the word "cube", the enemy is a cube. "ruby", like for Ruby Weapon. No idea about "nu", maybe just an ending to make the entire word a bit more fanciful.
It can be a direct reference to the Rubik's Cube, because "ruby" and "Rubi" (from Rubik's Cube) are spelt the same with katakana.
(their localisation: Rubycub)
(the Rubik's Cube source would make a lot of sense for that enemy)

- Cuvilduns: Total lack of understanding of that word.

- Polansarita: Probably the association of two names for female babies : "Sarita" meaning "princess" in Hebrew, and "Pouran" meaning "successor" in Persian http://www.ourbabynamer.com/meaning-of-Pouran.html maybe because that enemy succeed two previous enemies from the same type (swap colour).
"Puran" is also a male name in Hindi where it means "complete" or "absolute". That'd give us something like "Absolute Princess".
(their localisation: Pouransarita)
(Absolute makes think of the absolute zero, a direct analogy with extreme cold)

- Pudurare: (nothing really valuable that we haven't already discussed.. I still send you back here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?defid=376820&term=poodoo where the extremely poor sense of the word Pudu and the valuable sense of the word Rare could make the enemy name a pun based on an oxymoron)


Credits go to Acro, Sharleen, and Myst6re too I think (and maybe others too) from the Néo-Midgar project. edit: and also to DLPB and luksy, because some of those ideas and explanations were directly taken from their researches and foundings.
 
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They've also copied some of those ideas and explanations from me (from the excel document), so that's no go (like geminism, but again, I am guessing at it based on the kana.  It's possible the namer likes that album but equally possible he has never heard of it.  It's an obscure album).  ;D  A lot of the rest are also plain guesses.   I worked out Baba and Vera but that's still not certain (I even removed the explanation I gave because it was so unlikely).  The Jejujemi I'll put to Luksy.

The rubik's cube sounds interesting.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nue

That could be the ending.  So it would literally be a cube that is possessed or is an evil spirit.

Yōkai range eclectically from the malevolent to the mischievous, or occasionally bring good fortune to those who encounter them
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Which is precisely what this enemy does.  It can cure you too.  But Luksy will know if the kana can work :)  The downside to my theory is that the Nue itself is a specific thing.
 
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They've also copied some of those ideas and explanations from me (from the excel document)
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Well, yes, most of what they documented for the non-dialogue text is directly taken from your excel document (a previous version) just translated ( I've edited the credits I give in my previous post in regard to that ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nue

That could be the ending.  So it would literally be a cube that is possessed or is an evil spirit.

Which is precisely what this enemy does.  It can cure you too.  But Luksy will know if the kana can work :)  The downside to my theory is that the Nue itself is a specific thing.
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Ow ow I think you nailed it. A real good pretender for our guy. Congrats.
Maybe some contraction of "Rubik's cube" and "Nue". Like a Nue (nu) that is incarnated in / possessing some Rubik's cube (rubi cu). Yeah, let's see what luksy says.
 
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So this is a much smaller deal in this Final Fantasy because it doesn't show up very much, but for the enemy attack asupiru (アスピル), which has been translated in the spreadsheet as "Aspire.." I've gone back and forth with that for a long time on my own with other Final Fantasy games I've played trying to figure out what the hell "asupiru" is supposed to be, and I also used to think it was meant to be "aspire."

However, for context, in Final Fantasy VI there are two spells that damage the enemy's MP in some way: rasupiru ラスピル (translated as "Rasp" by Square's English localizers) and the higher version of that spell, asupiru.  If they were going for the word "aspire" in the Japanese, "raspire" as the lower level version of that spell wouldn't make sense.  "Respire" might, but the kana doesn't quite match (though there's also that weird "Araise" アレイズ spell that doesn't quite match what it should be, "Arise" アライズ, so maybe I'm wrong).  It's possible it's meant to be something a little more off the beaten path, like "aspear" or "aspell," or just some random word.  But I'm not sure "aspire" is it.
 
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Shasta, will you please stop finding contradictions that make sense.   :evil:  :-D

You make an excellent point.  Thinking about it :)
 
Does the kana have anything to do with breathing /respiration ?
 "breathe out /exhale" (for the Rasp spell) and "breathe in /inhale /inspire" (for the Drain spell)
 
Ok what I'm getting here is that the FF6 spell isn't "higher", it's different. Does "Raspire" (Rasp in FF6 English) take more MP off an enemy than "Aspire" (Osmose in FF6 English)?  I am still not made up that it is "Aspire" (the "ru" ending is seen elsewhere and is to be ignored sometimes), but I am more sure "Raspire" is an effect with "Ra" added to the start, and nonsensical in English.

Strictly speaking, I can't see how アスピル can be "Aspire" anyway.  It often gets localized to "Aspir", but that makes no sense.  .   I would definitely not take the "Ru" as gospel, since even in "Sleep-ru", it is just added.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Lifesiphon  there is also "End [aspir]."  There's something more going on here. This isn't "Aspire",  but I have no idea what it is meant to be.  Thinking.

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What End "Aspir" and "Aspir" have in common is recovery from killing / injuring an enemy.  Aspir recovers MP by draining it from enemy, and End Aspir recovers ATB from killing enemy.  Therefore "Aspir" must be a word that means "drain" or so on.  It seems that even the official localizers have given up on this, opting to use "Siphon" instead.

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Is it at all possible that this is just sucky kana and is meant to be "asp" like the snake?
 
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I fear more work coming for you Dan. Promise you won't be mad? Okay, so I have looked at the documentation for the enemy names in the Néo-Midgar project and I am going to report what could be interesting for us (and sometimes give my opinion too). There's most likely a lot that you already know or even that was found by yourselves in the first place ( I've omitted what I knew was from you or known by you ) so of course feel free to ignore those parts or anything that you'd judge not fitting. But some things I find interesting and even relevant.

- Acrofies: "Acro" comes from Acropora, we already know that, but the end of the name could come from the end of the word "Calliophis", an genus of snakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calliophis) which is part of a species called oriental coral snakes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_snake).
Be it the real source or not, the suffix "-ophis" ("ὄφις") means "serpent" in Old Greek (the ethymology is documented on the French page of the wiki (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calliophis) but not on the English one). The enemy being a serpent combined with a piece of coral, Acro + ophis --> "Acrophis" seems to be the most faithful spelling.

- Bagnadrana: Okay, for this one they have decomposed the word as follow: "Bug" (as a bug, but more in the sense of a computer bug), "na" (negation), "dra" (beginning of the word "dragon"), "na" (negation). That gives us "Not a bug nor a dragon", and maybe a fusion of both. The enemy looks like a dragon with six legs, as bugs have. And in Costa del Sol, the lady at the tourist board tells us about strange dragons living on Mount Corel, and at Mount Corel there is no creatures looking like strange dragons other than these. So they went for "Bugnadrana". They also say that "Bug" is more likely than "Bag" in that word in Japanese.

- Live Wire: Here they start by stating that the first word is "Kappa" (not "Kyappa"). They believe that "Kappa" is the fusion of "capa", like in "capacity" in electronics, and "kappa", the Greek letter for our K (the enemy has the shape of a K).
They also state that in kana the word "copper" is spelt the same as "Kappa", just for one kana difference (so, "copper" with a modified letter would translate to the same kana as "Kappa"). Thus in French they went for "copper" ("cuivre") but with that letter modified (so it fits with the kana for "Kappa") which in French gives "Kuivre". In English, that would give "Kopper Wire". I believe luksy has to be summoned on that one.

- Chews Tank: Their view on this one may be very right but we may need luksy and even Kaldarasha to find out.
That first word: it is believed that the kana are the ones for "Tschüs" ! The "bybye!" of the German speakers! (pronounced 'tchooss') Basically the little seahorse has fled away from his big aquarium ("Tank") and he is now free, so ..Tschüs Tank ! xD I'm already 'convinced' by that one haha, it's just funny.

- Deanglow: Just a comment about "Dean": Dean electric guitars could be the source for the word https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Guitars The logo is the word "Dean" with wings and their slogan is "It's time to get your wings" (fits with the creature appearance).

- Goulashtrike: According to them, the beginning of the word matches the kana for the beginning of the word "grasshopper" (the sound made is 'grassh'), and the creature looks like a grasshopper. The last 4 kana give "trike", which means "tricycle" (that is already known).
The last 3 kana could also mean "-like", so we're not far from something like "grasshopper-like", just for one kana. It could also be a contraction between "grass(hopper)" and "strike".

- Grim Guard: They say the kana match with "Grimm", as in The Grimm brothers, and that it is a direct reference to them and their enchanting universe, and that there's nothing grim about that enemy.

- Gel Schmelze: Maybe Kaldarasha can help confirm this but the word Gelschmelze is a real word http://www.google.com/patents/DE10118101B4?cl=de (the word can be seen several times on that page) and here is the same page in English http://www.google.com/patents/DE10118101B4?cl=en . The word defines something that can melt gelatine-type matters. The main attack of the enemy is some sort of liquid poison.

- Madhu Ju: Again, that's what they say: The kana for "mad" can be read as "mud", and then there is "ooze". Mud and ooze (so "Mudooze" for his name) fit with the fact that the enemy can be found in a cave near a swamp, and that he attacks with "Swamp Shoot" (don't know what you called that attack for The Reunion)

- Maul Dancer: They didn't go for the sense of "maul" but for the one of "Moor" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors . Just saying in case you didn't consider this before.

- Muu: Look: http://www.discogs.com/Secret-Squirrel-Mu-Venom-DDT/release/142190 Mu-Venom from Secret Squirrel. That one seems so obvious (which would lead to "Mu").

- Harley Quinn: That one comes from "Arlequin/ Harlequin/ Arlecchino" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlequin , a famous character in the Italian Commedia dell'arte, but that has nothing to do with FFVII.

- Leaf Suck: "sack" at the end could mean "bag". Then "bag of leaves" could be a possible meaning.
"Rilsan" could have inspired the name in some way. Rilsan is something that has the shape of the enemy https://www.google.be/search?q=rils...TCOmlzd7PhMgCFY8p2wodBVcPhA&biw=2240&bih=1160 and that is made from castor oil plant (the enemy is a plant).

- Senior Combattant: Does the English word "senior" convey the sense of "experienced" or just the sense of "old/ mature" ? They say that in Japanese here the word means "experienced", "which has gone a step further / a level above".. maybe "senior" doesn't fit so well. The guy is an evolution to his two previous swap-colour.

- Serpent: When you google-image those kana you get only sea serpents and big sea serpents. That word is an old word for "snake", often used to depict sea serpents, serpents looking like dragons or hydraes (water serpents).
Here "Serpent" doesn't fit because the enemy isn't a snake but actually a half-serpent half-dragon sea creature. The enemy attacks with Ryûjin Danse (Ryûjin is a mythical sea dragon) and with "Serpent Breath" (translated on-the-fly by me) which clearly shows his dual nature. They went for "Sea Serpent".

- Under Lizard: Subspecies of lizard. That creature is always isolated: on the Cactus Island, on the Goblin Island or in the Temple of the Ancients. That confirms that the term "subspecies" does fit because a subspecies is always a branch of specific individuals geagraphicaly isolated from the main species from which it derives (the French wiki is clearer about that than the English wiki: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sous-espèce ..that's in the paragraph named 'Concept'.. and here is the English wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies) just as for our guy. So our creature belonging to a subspecies could make the prefix "Sub" a better choice here than the prefix "Under". That'd give "Sub Lizard" or "Sub-Lizard". "Under" wouldn't seem to be the best choice to indicate that the creature belongs to a subspecies.
Or it could be that "Under" would imply that our guy is an 'oppressed' creature, an 'underdog', 'which has no chance to win', because the enemy is rather weak at the moment of the game when we meet him.

- Semzealot: May share a vague association with the Slavic word "zimzelen" which means "evergreen": https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/zimzelen

- Zenene: "Zenene" in romaji, but the beginning of the word fits only with other words that begin with "gene" (..I personally don't get what that sentence means). The enemy has an attack referring to "géhenne" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/géhenne (French version more rich: https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/géhenne). For the French project they went with a compression between "Gene" and "Géhenne" which gives "Génene", hinting that the genes of the creature take their origin in Hell.

- Zorokarter: Shouldn't it be a 'i' ? http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartir


Took me the whole day x)
I'll see if I can get my hands onto some other pieces of documentation for non-dialogue text from their project.
 
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Most of those are plain guesses and there are also a lot of inaccuracies and bending of the facts.  For example, with Goulashtrike, you can't just say "Well, it sounds like grash, which is like grass, so that's what it is."  That's not good practice.  The kana is too different.  On other points, I am not sure "mad" can be "mud" but I suspect they'd have used the "mu" sound if they wanted that.  They do have a "Mu" sound. ム.  Also, Serpent is serpent - that's what the kana is.  If they wanted snake they would definitely have used it.

Also, Zorokarter can be either (although I'll look into which is more used).

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Karter

Bugnadrana, Sub Lizard , and Acrophis sound promising. Grimm is possible too, but it's sheer guesswork.  I'll ask Luksy his thoughts on these.
 
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Maybe "asupiru" is just one of those nonsense words they made up.  Hard to tell.. I've been trying to figure it out for a few years and I just can't get what it's supposed to be.  I'm sure whatever you end up going with will work.. hell, maybe even Aspire would do the trick.  If it IS meant to refer to a "real" word or words, Final Fantasy spell names seem to be weird bastardizations of English words anyway so I guess it could be any of those-- Aspire, Aspear, Aspell, Aspir.. tough to tell.

Haha you're gonna hate me here but there's another thing I've noticed.  When it comes to "Status Null" being the translation for "Esuna" ("S-null"), there's also a spell in Final Fantasy II (the same game where Esuna first appeared) called "Basuna."  Like Esuna and Poisona, "Basuna" nullifies certain status effects.  "S-Null" and "Poison-Null" might make perfect sense if "Basuna" didn't exist ("Basu-null?"  Doesn't make sense).

It could be that all of these spells are meant to refer to something else anyway.. in Final Fantasy I there are a lot of spells that start with "Ba," i.e. "Bakorudo" (BaCold or Bar Cold), "Basanda" (BaThunder or Bar Thunder), "Bafaia" (BaFire or Bar Fire), etc. that protect the party from certain elemental spells.  So maybe Basuna is supposed to be "BaSuna" or "Bar Suna," with "Suna" referring to something else?  Does that mean "Esuna" is really supposed to be "E-suna" or something similar rather than "S-null?"

off course I might be overthinking things in my previous paragraph, but at the least I still feel like "Basuna" should be looked at for reference when deciding what "Esuna" and "Poisona" are really supposed to be.
 
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OH!  This is a bit of a stretch, but if you take into account the Final Fantasy's bastardization of English words for spell names and adding of silly meaningless endings to words (Saitoro = Sight, Suripuru = Sleep, Desuperu = Dispel, Meruton = Meltdown, Arutema = Ultima, etc.) what if asupiru is supposed to be a bastardization of "ESP?"

Knock the "ru" off of the end and you have "Asupi."  If you said "ESP" as a word instead of letters it would be "Esp," like in "Esper" (the literal meaning of which is not "Phantom Beast" like Woolsey made it in FF6, but "someone who can use ESP"), which is not far from "Asupi" if you considered the "u" and "i" sounds as having been intended to be whispered silent vowels as the Japanese are wont to use when transcribing English words.

Yes, the kana don't quite match and they could have used "esupiru" instead, but look at the bastardizations in the kana for "Meltdown," "Ultima," etc. and you'll see that an over-reliance on the kana to determine what was originally meant isn't always the best way to go, since they're often kind of "fudging it" anyway.

And off course it's not just Final Fantasy where the Japanese get lazy or weird about transcribing English words anyway.  In the Japanese version of Metal Gear Solid, "Liquid Snake" is "rikkido suneeku" instead of "rikuiddo suneeku" or something similar, "Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patroits" is "ganzu obu za patoriotto," instead of "ganzu obu za peitoriotsu," etc.  So sometimes they just straight up fudge the kana just because.

There's also a small chance "asupiru" it could be a bastardization and re-arranging of the vowels and consonants in the word "sap," but I think that's less likely and even more of a stretch.  Still, Drain and Sap as the two spells that drain HP and MP respectively would make sense.  Drain and ESP (draining somebody's mind power) would make sense too.
 
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