[PSX/PC] General editor - Hades Workshop (0.50b)

Incinerator · May 30, 2018

i need some more instructions :\ , i found the p0data61 in the unity assets section , and i found the song i want to replace and the one to make the substitution , but from there i can't see how i can switch those osts , also , in the main_loop section of pand\ming control i didn't found " RunSoundCode( 0, 0 ) " , but only " RunSoundCode( 16897, 48 ) " and some other numbers , but probably i wasn't clear enough , my objective is to have the ost " you are not alone " , during the random battles , not the opposite

Exactly it right here. The RunSoundCode. You just seen it.
Right, so I did see unclear. For wanting Your not Alone as battle bgm; (this be easier you), swap out the your not alone bgm (IIRC music028.akb,bytes) with battle bgm: (music006.akb.bytes)

BEWARE:
Some hz with bgm play different ignoring that of sdlib.dll you're okay with you're not alone bgm.

it's possible to give to Blank a Trance comand too? Or is something kinda hard?

According to Tirlititi, not possible to give them trances because of many reasons I don't completely know. One being they don't have a trance model.
Interesting test I did a long time ago:
Making one of the Tantalus members or Beatrix apply trance on themselves (e.g. some spell to apply trance to target) would actually make them go into trance with the set command and everything. And even more bazaar, they'd mimic a trance bar, as it "goes down" with every turn (even though there's no trance bar there); they also sometimes turn transparent/semi-transparent when at this "improper trance". The exception to all this being once their "trance" 'ends', the game will freeze and crash. Maybe some datas with trying to load non trance model after trance ends; i don't know, Tirlititi to clarify.

Tirlititi · May 30, 2018

@ploppo: You can right-click on files in the Unity Assets Viewer to export files and import them back.
The files exported appear in a folder "HadesWorkshopAssets" in your FF9 game directory. To import a file, you must put the new file in that "HadesWorkshopAssets" folder (in a sub-directory actually) exactly at the same place and exactly with the same name as when the file is exported.

@ToraCarol: I think that you didn't get it. Once you have linked Seiken abilities and Summon abilities, it frees space for other commands. Once you have done that, you can add up to 12 spells in another command without being told that there's no space.

About Blank's sword... It's strange but I got it!

So actually, "set character[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L" hides weapons only for the enemies (it might be that they have weapons meshes but I don't think so, so it's useless) and not for the party characters.
"set character[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1" hides weapons (as well as other stuff ; the character doesn't seem to even exist when its presence is off) but it is called a bit later, just before the ATB appears and the battle starts.

Conclusion: Dagger's weapon also appears mid-air before the battle starts. I just checked it on a youtube video and, indeed, there is a very small window during which you can clearly see her weapon...

So, I think that it's another bug of the Steam version. In the "btl_mot::HideMesh" and "btl_mot::ShowMesh", there is a "if" line that is wrong:
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if (mesh == 65535 && btl.bi.player == 0) ...

I think that it should be "!= 0" instead: it was meant to take care of weapons only if the character is a team member and not the opposite.

You may fix the bug in this particular battle by adding another PRESENCE_OFF line together with the shadow/model hiding (still keep the PRESENCE_OFF lines that are below):
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if ( #VAR_GlobUInt16_28 ) {    set VAR_GlobUInt8_46++    set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L    set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[SHADOW] =$ 0    set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1    set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L    set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[SHADOW] =$ 0    set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1}

Unless I'm mistaken, it should not crash the game 8)

About giving trance to someone else, I'll make a few tests but it may be possible to actually do it now with dnSpy/Albeoris's Memoria. Of course, unless you import another model, the trance appearance will be roughly the same as the normal state.
I don't guarantee anything though ^^'

ToraCarol · May 30, 2018

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@ToraCarol: I think that you didn't get it. Once you have linked Seiken abilities and Summon abilities, it frees space for other commands. Once you have done that, you can add up to 12 spells in another command without being told that there's no space.

About Blank's sword... It's strange but I got it!

So actually, "set character[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L" hides weapons only for the enemies (it might be that they have weapons meshes but I don't think so, so it's useless) and not for the party characters.
"set character[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1" hides weapons (as well as other stuff ; the character doesn't seem to even exist when its presence is off) but it is called a bit later, just before the ATB appears and the battle starts.

Conclusion: Dagger's weapon also appears mid-air before the battle starts. I just checked it on a youtube video and, indeed, there is a very small window during which you can clearly see her weapon...

So, I think that it's another bug of the Steam version. In the "btl_mot::HideMesh" and "btl_mot::ShowMesh", there is a "if" line that is wrong:
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Code:

if (mesh == 65535 && btl.bi.player == 0) ...

I think that it should be "!= 0" instead: it was meant to take care of weapons only if the character is a team member and not the opposite.

You may fix the bug in this particular battle by adding another PRESENCE_OFF line together with the shadow/model hiding (still keep the PRESENCE_OFF lines that are below):
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Code:

if ( #VAR_GlobUInt16_28 ) { set VAR_GlobUInt8_46++ set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[SHADOW] =$ 0 set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1 set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[SHADOW] =$ 0 set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1}

Unless I'm mistaken, it should not crash the game 8)

About giving trance to someone else, I'll make a few tests but it may be possible to actually do it now with dnSpy/Albeoris's Memoria. Of course, unless you import another model, the trance appearance will be roughly the same as the normal state.
I don't guarantee anything though ^^'

1) Aaaaaaaaah!!! Oh my!! Ok, maybe, MAYBE, I got it this time... in case I didn't I'll let you know.. please understand me.. I'm a mess

2) Ah! Yeah that's it! I forgot to mention that there was the same identical problem with Dagger Weapon. My, I seriously can't believe that the Steam version is full of bug..thanks a bunch!!! I'll try then!

Talking about bug, there was an old error that i need to try to take hand now that I know better how to do, anyway I'll try to explain, maybe you can also give me an hint on this!
Is at the Ipsen Castle, so.. I would to know two things...

- It may be possibilities to take Blank in the Party even if Amarant isn't in?
-How could I avoid this error? --> https://www.ff7catalog.com/threads/9697/ (is the last topic in the page)

It would be nice if now I'll be able to add Blank in every scene of Ipsen Castle, the last ones too!
As Incinerator said, it may be a missing piece of the puzzle if I did not put him in... and I think it may be a pity!

3) Too bad that Memoria and Hws are not compatibles each other, togheter they could give birth to a fantastic modded game in my opinion! Thank you anyway for your kind answer, really!
You guys are helping me alot!

ploppo · May 30, 2018

@Incinerator @Trilititi ok thanks , now i try to swap the ost and let you know

, i am sure it will be easy , infact now i want to ask some other information : i want to become immune to the "snort" attack of the yan , you know , the one who can literally send a character to fuck lol , so how can i do that ?

ploppo · May 30, 2018

@Incinerator @Trilititi it worked , i extracted the ost i wanted , extracted the ost that must be substituted , and renamed the ost i wanted with the name of the original one , and now i can hear " you are not alone " every time i want

, but there is another problem related to the music that i need instructions for : i placed tantarian and ozma in the isle were normally we can find the yan , and now , every time i fight with tantarian or ozma , there isn't any music , so what's the procedure to solve this problem ? i mean , maybe it depend on the fact that for the bosses i must place an ost in the field were it appear , but i am not sure about that ; why in the steam version isn't possible to access the "battle scene" page ? is important for me to solve this problem because i also have to set the song "jaster of the moon" during all the fights against zon and trom , including the fight were they return to their original form XD

ToraCarol · May 30, 2018

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You may fix the bug in this particular battle by adding another PRESENCE_OFF line together with the shadow/model hiding (still keep the PRESENCE_OFF lines that are below):
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if ( #VAR_GlobUInt16_28 ) { set VAR_GlobUInt8_46++ set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[SHADOW] =$ 0 set VAR_GlobUInt16_28[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1 set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[MODEL_OFF] =$ 65535L set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[SHADOW] =$ 0 set VAR_GlobUInt16_42[PRESENCE_OFF] =$ 1}

It works perfectly, no mid-air wapons finally!..but, now there's a little problem!! Zidane attacks instead of Dagger and Blank when i try to call their commands..but why?? :'(

UPDATE: And..another thing that I noticed now..the model of Dagger didn't showed off correctly. I mean there's her floating head and..yeah.. it's quite embarassing :

UPDATE2: I can stay ok with the bug if only the camera may be changed and make a better shot...man, that camera thing pisses me off

ploppo · May 30, 2018

@trilititi , did you ever considered the possibility to create a modding program like hades workshop for final fantasy 8 ? it is really needed you know , for now the only things that are created for that game are mods to make the game harder , but nothing for people who want to have fun :\ , there are some comments of mine before this one

Incinerator · May 30, 2018

i want to become immune to the "snort"

Don't believe that possible (with basic editing?)
Snort removes a target from battle; don't think there's an innate way to be immune to that.

i placed tantarian and ozma in the isle were normally we can find the yan , and now , every time i fight with tantarian or ozma , there isn't any music , so what's the procedure to solve this problem ?

If I hear correctly, you placed Tantarian and Ozma fightable on the world map where Yans are originally found (on vile island??)

If so, and anytime you move/add an enemy to a new field to battle; for the encounter music to play, you must edit the BtlEncountBgmMetaData.txt for fields and/or WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt for world map enemies.

ploppo · May 30, 2018

Don't believe that possible (with basic editing?)
Snort removes a target from battle; don't think there's an innate way to be immune to that.

If I hear correctly, you placed Tantarian and Ozma fightable on the world map where Yans are originally found (on vile island??)

If so, and anytime you move/add an enemy to a new field to battle; for the encounter music to play, you must edit the BtlEncountBgmMetaData.txt for fields and/or WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt for world map enemies.

so about the snort , i fortunately found a temporary solution , i just nullified the effect of the snort but selecting the "no effect" in the ability section of the jan , so basically the yan use snort , but i can't really erase anyone , but i prefer a genuine immunity , like every other negative status

, and about tantarian and ozma , yes , i placed them in vile island XD , and now i need to know how to associate to them some music again , i must do the same to change the ost when i fight zon and trom , can you be a little more specific ? because this time isn't only a matter of switch an ost , i must give an ost to a boss that no longer have it , while the yan in the isle still have it despite the fact that i changed their location , infact , the friendly yan is now outside of the black forest , it is in the dirt , along with the normal yan , while in the little forest i placed ozma and tantarian, the only thing i got is that both the files you mentioned can be found trough the unity asset viewer of hades workshop

Incinerator · May 30, 2018

i placed them in vile island XD

That's what I thought, so yes, you must edit: WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt

Add the enemies' ID to the list.

ploppo · May 30, 2018

That's what I thought, so yes, you must edit: WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt

Add the enemies' ID to the list.

ok but what exactly i must do to accomplish that ? i must open the unity engine assets with hades workshop , then how i proceed ? were can i find the enemy id ? and how can i change the music that is played when i face zon and tron ?

Incinerator · May 30, 2018

ok but what exactly i must do to accomplish that ? i must open the unity engine assets with hades workshop , then how i proceed ? were can i find the enemy id ? and how can i change the music that is played when i face zon and tron ?

Yes like Tirlititi said, use Unity assets viewer, open archive resources.assets, navigate and find WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt extract it.

You can see enemy id in HW by checking "Show Enemy IDs"; in WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt, you identify which BGM to play by placing it's ID with the syntax.

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  "9000": { // world loc. ID    "138" // Enemy ID : "35", // Music to Play (35 is boss battle theme)

For Zorn and Thorn, edit the BtlEncountBgmMetaData.txt and do the same.
You can check the field of where Zorn and Thorn is encountered at Alexandria/Chapel, iirc, find it's ID.

ploppo · May 30, 2018

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Yes like Tirlititi said, use Unity assets viewer, open archive resources.assets, navigate and find WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt extract it.

You can see enemy id in HW by checking "Show Enemy IDs"; in WldEncountBgmMetaData.txt, you identify which BGM to play by placing it's ID with the syntax.

ex:

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"9000": { // world loc. ID "138" // Enemy ID : "35", // Music to Play (35 is boss battle theme)

For Zorn and Thorn, edit the BtlEncountBgmMetaData.txt and do the same.

ok thanks , i will let you know the results , in the mean time i want to say that i hope that someone create a program like hades worshop even for final fantasy 8 , there are already too many mods that only make the game more hard , there are also people like me who want the possibility to have fun and become extremely strong and annihilate any enemy like is nothing

ploppo · May 30, 2018

@Incinerator sorry if i am taking so much time to understand but i have problems to find what you told me to find , in the archivie the options are : streaming assets , levels , shared assets , what's the option i must select ? and once i select it , what file i must chose ?

Incinerator · May 30, 2018

@Incinerator sorry if i am taking so much time to understand but i have problems to find what you told me to find , in the archivie the options are : streaming assets , levels , shared assets , what's the option i must select ? and once i select it , what file i must chose ?

resources

ploppo · May 30, 2018

resources

so it must be : resources assets -> resources , right ? but i still don't find those two files , maybe i don't find them because they have a different name after the patch :O

Incinerator · May 30, 2018

so it must be : resources assets -> resources , right ? but i still don't find those two files , maybe i don't find them because they have a different name after the patch :O

They have the same name and are in resources.assets. Sort names alphabetically to aid in search the list.

ploppo · May 30, 2018

They have the same name and are in resources.assets. Sort names alphabetically to aid in search the list.

ok i finally found them

thanks

ploppo · May 31, 2018

@Incinerator ok , i am noticing something strange in those txt files : there is always the "0" as ost to play , and the ost number 0 is the main theme of the game , the other number used is the 61 , what's the meaning of this ? according to this values there are only two osts used , but this isn't really possible :\

Incinerator · May 31, 2018

@Incinerator ok , i am noticing something strange in those txt files : there is always the "0" as ost to play , and the ost number 0 is the main theme of the game , the other number used is the 61 , what's the meaning of this ? according to this values there are only two osts used , but this isn't really possible :\

BGM ID - 0 is the battle theme not title BGM.
Not sure what you're viewing, I can't check it right now; show what you're seeing.

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